What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?

[BillJ]

It's a critical feature if we've seen them before.

Yes. No. Maybe? If you're telling me the current April is the same as the April in "The Counter-Clock Incident", I'd say no. They aren't the same character. If it is a new version of the character, fire away.

And, if it was April alone, I'd probably squint as best as I could. On top of everything else? I just treat it as a multiverse.

 

[fireproof78]

It's a critical feature if we've seen them before.

Not enough to declare "alternate timeline."

Mileage will vary.

I'd never have done it. Screw "the modern audience and believability" in that regard. It's fiction. It's not like this stuff actually happened in the 1990s or will in the 2030s or whenever. But that said: it's done, dialogue can be ignored or looped over with new ADR and it still all fits and works for me.

Until Trek declares itself it's own timeline and separate from our real world it is very much mutable and movable.

 

[cooleddie74]

And it's never been "our real world timeline" so that solves that (otherwise we'd have already had nuclear-powered sublight engines on spacecraft by 2018). Fiction is mutable and science fiction even moreso, though I'd keep big retcons to a bare minimum and just focus on newer stories.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Until Trek declares itself it's own timeline and separate from our real world it is very much mutable and movable.

I think Star Trek Picard season 2 pretty much did that.

 

[BillJ]

Until Trek declares itself it's own timeline and separate from our real world it is very much mutable and movable.

I think that happened with the world having orbital nuclear platforms in 1968.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yep. As cool as that might have been to some people, let's all just be glad that never happened.

 

[fireproof78]

I think Star Trek Picard season 2 pretty much did that.

I think that happened with the world having orbital nuclear platforms in 1968.

And yet they keep using our local for all time travel stories.

 

[BillJ]

And yet they keep using our local for all time travel stories.

Doesn't change what is in canon. By canon, Earth had orbiting nuclear platforms in 1968.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yep x 2. In that fictional universe it happened and that hasn't been retconned. So in Trek's world orbiting H-Bomb launch platforms were a real thing.

 

[fireproof78]

Doesn't change what is in canon. By canon, Earth had orbiting nuclear platforms in 1968.

Doesn't make it an alternate timeline.


Yet...

 

[BillJ]

Doesn't make it an alternate timeline.

If it isn't the same as the real world timeline, then what exactly is it?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm still struggling with the idea that moving a major war fifty years down the timeline doesn't substantially affect the timeline. That for me, is a stretch too far.

It's fiction. It only affects the timeline if the story requires it to affect the timeline. Also we've only an inkling of what that "timeline" is. Too many blank spots to start worrying about if Fictional Frank and Franny were never born.

 

[BillJ]

It only affects the timeline if the story requires it to affect the timeline.

I mean, I would have a tough time arguing that it would all be the same, with that kind of shift. Where the person that you dealt with in "Space Seed" is the same person in SNW, based on being born 50 years apart. There should be more to a character than a name.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I mean, I would have a tough time arguing that it would all be the same, with that kind of shift. Where the person that you dealt with in "Space Seed" is the same person in SNW, based on being born 50 years apart. There should be more to a character than a name.

Well there is. He has an entire backstory that doesn't hinge on a particular date.

 

[fireproof78]

If it isn't the same as the real world timeline, then what exactly is it?

An elevated reality.

 

[BillJ]

An elevated reality.

So, altered?

 

[BillJ]

Well there is. He has an entire backstory that doesn't hinge on a particular date.

I imagine growing up in the 1960's would create a very different backstory than growing up in the 2020's.

 

[fireproof78]

So, altered?

Sort of. It's still our world.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So, altered?

All fiction exists in an elevated or altered reality. There is no "Alan Brady Show". "St. Eligius" or "Ewing Oil".

 

[BillJ]

Sort of. It's still our world.

It is very different than our world. I struggle to remember the DY class interplanetary craft of the 1990's.