What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?

[Damian]

Not so much ruined, but one thing that was getting old was all the Kirk era characters showing up on the Enterprise years before Kirk took command on SNW. And yet the only "The Cage" era characters we see are Number One and Spock. This is not really a complaint about the actors playing the parts themselves. For the most part they have been fine.

I'd be fine with one or two other Kirk era characters showing up. But practically the entire command crew? I mean, hell, why not just add in Dr. McCoy already and complete the set? In the novels that took place in this era for instance other than Spock, Scotty was assigned to the Enterprise some years before Kirk took command as a junior engineer. There were some "The Cage" era characters still with the ship as well, and new characters.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And yet the only "The Cage" era characters we see are Number One and Spock. This is not really a complaint about the actors playing the parts themselves. For the most part they have been fine.

SNW takes place after "The Cage". It's more or less midway between "The Cage" and TOS. The TOS characters we see are "new hires".

 

[cooleddie74]

Five to six years after "The Cage," five to six years before "Where No Man Has Gone Before." Roughly THE precise halfway point.

 

[evilchumlee]

But, nostalgia sells. People feel an affinity for the past, and that has been selling. If people stop buying nostalgia maybe it will stop being sold.

I'd like to give them money for nostalgia. They don't actually want to give that to me.

Them: "You guys like the original Star Trek series, right"
Us: "Yes!"
Them: "You want to see that stuff again?"
Us: "YES!"
Them: "Too bad. Here's Discovery."

Meanwhile,

Them: "You guys like TNG?"
Us: "Yes!"
Them: "You want to see that stuff again?"
Us: "YES!"
Terry Matalas: "No problem, got you fam!"
*produces beloved award winning season that sparks fan outcry for spinoff series

For the SNW characters, i'm fine with "The Cage" people being mostly absent. People move on.

I just really wanted Combs as Dr. Boyce because... it was like almost damn fate that he would just fit the role so perfectly.

By and large though, they've done justice to Number One and Spock.

I absolutely despise Chapel. I think they mostly hit a home run with Uhura, but Chapel just doing do it for me. It's not the actress, I just can't stand the way the character is written.

At this point I don't really care if they bring everyone else in, although I feel like McCoy should be left alone. It's not really ever established, but McCoy feels like he came on with Kirk.

 

[HotRod]

It's kind of ironic though because it seems like your actually talking about what nuTrek does. We can't possibly have things look like TOS, or have the characters act like their TOS versions, because those are all anachronisms and must be banished in favor of "visual updates".

"NuTrek" hasn't replaced or banished a single frame of older Trek. Hell, they've literally used footage from The Cage, Unification and The Chase in episodes. They simply expected their audience to be able to understand that the newer shows have been modernized in their visual appearance while still retaining their connections with the older series.

I'd say they've been largely successful in their efforts, save for the segment of the fandom that cannot accept that it's not a period piece. That expecting a modern television series to look like a contemporary of Green Acres would be ridiculous.

 

[BillJ]

but McCoy feels like he came on with Kirk.

Mark Piper was the CMO, in "Where No Man..."

 

[fireproof78]

I'd like to give them money for nostalgia. They don't actually want to give that to me.

No. They want to give familiar while updating it. It's trying to serve multiple masters and leaving most people not quite satisfied with the familiar and demanding more which is how we got the vapid nostalgia fest of season 3 Picard.

 

[cooleddie74]

Mark Piper was the CMO, in "Where No Man..."

Yep. So far the procession of known CMOs for that era is Boyce - M'Benga - Piper - McCoy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Mark Piper was the CMO, in "Where No Man..."

Until contradicted, I'd say Kirk brought McCoy on board and they were friends prior to that. Maybe on the Farragut.

 

[BillJ]

Until contradicted, I'd say Kirk brought McCoy on board and they were friends prior to that. Maybe on the Farragut.

I have no problem with Kirk being friends with McCoy. To bring McCoy on as CMO prior to the second pilot, just reeks of not having any ideas on how to make the show interesting without the constant nostalgia churn.

 

[fireproof78]

I have no problem with Kirk being friends with McCoy. To bring McCoy on as CMO prior to the second pilot, just reeks of not having any ideas on how to make the show interesting without the constant nostalgia churn.

That was evident when Kirk was brought on in the first place.

 

[cooleddie74]

And I adore SNW and it's a decision I wouldn't have made, at least not this early (the alternate timeline version from Season 1 notwithstanding).

 

[Nerys Myk]

I have no problem with Kirk being friends with McCoy. To bring McCoy on as CMO prior to the second pilot, just reeks of not having any ideas on how to make the show interesting without the constant nostalgia churn.

M'Benga isn't going anywhere. Like with Kirk, I'd bring in McCoy as a reoccurring character and not a crew member.

 

[evilchumlee]

I have no problem with Kirk being friends with McCoy. To bring McCoy on as CMO prior to the second pilot, just reeks of not having any ideas on how to make the show interesting without the constant nostalgia churn.

They could do with much less, coming from someone who is completely ok with nostalgia stuff.

You've got a bunch of TOS people who can all make sense to be there (except for Kirk, Kirk really should be all there as much as he is... or at all, really.) Leave it alone now. There's no reason to have extreme "small universe" syndrome and have McCoy show up all the time for no apparent reason.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You've got a bunch of TOS people who can all make sense to be there (except for Kirk, Kirk really should be all there as much as he is... or at all, really.) Leave it alone now. There's no reason to have extreme "small universe" syndrome and have McCoy show up all the time for no apparent reason.

He's been in what? Three? Four episodes? And only one as "crew" but that was an alternate reality.

 

[HotRod]

Maybe I'm biased because Kirk is my favourite Captain, but I like seeing him in SNW. It probably helps that I like Paul Wesley as the character.

 

[Phoenix219]

During the S2 premiere, with all the drugged-up-war-doctor stuff, and by the musical episode, with its video game counter score mission quest thing at the end, I 100% convinced myself that this is just TOS characters playing the new "Captain Pike" holographic DLC in the rec room. Spock, Chapel, Uhura and M'Benga play it, and Kirk joins them on occasion. Its just interactive television for them.

i really want some fan editing deep fake stuff to make it, too. the 4 of them in a tos rec room, putting on some type of headset, where it instantly looks like SNW through their goggles lol.

Not so much ruined, but one thing that was getting old was all the Kirk era characters showing up on the Enterprise years before Kirk took command on SNW. And yet the only "The Cage" era characters we see are Number One and Spock. This is not really a complaint about the actors playing the parts themselves. For the most part they have been fine.

I'd be fine with one or two other Kirk era characters showing up. But practically the entire command crew? I mean, hell, why not just add in Dr. McCoy already and complete the set? In the novels that took place in this era for instance other than Spock, Scotty was assigned to the Enterprise some years before Kirk took command as a junior engineer. There were some "The Cage" era characters still with the ship as well, and new characters.

yup. i wanted to see more of the (either pilot) bridge crew; so many undeveloped backgroudn characters to choose from. jose tyler, lee kelso, lt alden, dr boyce and piper, yeomon colt or smith, maybe even gary mitchell..... plus barely-seens like pitcairn and garison and fisher.

and the one that would make sense to possibly use in a different dept., sulu, they haven't touched!!

 

[Citiprime]

"NuTrek" hasn't replaced or banished a single frame of older Trek.

Explain to me how SNW's "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" and Wrath of Khan fit together.

We're not talking about a vague reference on a screen in the background that gets changed, but the very nature of the character and his backstory DOES NOT FIT with entire scenes of TOS and Wrath of Khan.

KHAN: Do you mean he never told you the tale? To amuse your captain? No? Never told you how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space from the year 1996, myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze.​

That expecting a modern television series to look like a contemporary of Green Acres would be ridiculous.

Hence the reason many of us feel that it shouldn't have been tied to continuity. No one is arguing that it has to look EXACTLY like TOS. But if you must revisit this time period, and want to make changes, make it your own and let it exist as its own thing instead of trying to claim a timeline, then change the timeline, and then claim well it's not different when it's different.

 

[fireproof78]

We're not talking about a vague reference on a screen in the background that gets changed, but the very nature of the character and his backstory DOES NOT FIT with entire scenes of TOS and Wrath of Khan.

They offer an explanation which is more than WW3.

Never heard of that being an issue.

Still not "banished."

 

[HotRod]

Explain to me how SNW's "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" and Wrath of Khan fit together.

Same way Wrath of Khan fits with every other Trek series that changed the date of the Eugenics Wars. If you need to make up some kinda head canon that it was changed by the temporal cold war or something, go right ahead. But pretty much everything since TNG has gone with the Eugenics War/WW3 being a 21st century conflict. If you have a problem, it's with the producers of TNG. "NuTrek" is just going with what's been more firmly established, while poking a little fun at the fact the dates have been a moved around. It's really no different than James R. Kirk, Data being from the class of '79, or any other relatively minor detail that doesn't line up. Shit happens. It's a TV Show.

We're not talking about a vague reference on a screen in the background that gets changed, but the very nature of the character and his backstory DOES NOT FIT with entire scenes of TOS and Wrath of Khan.

Absolutely nothing about Khan, beyond the dates, has been altered. SNW doesn't contradict a single thing, beyond the dates of the Eugenics war and launch of the Botany Bay.

then change the timeline

They haven't changed the timeline, or at least they haven't changed anything anymore than any other series has.