Wolverine, in that yellow costume, was a huge part of a lot of people’s childhoods. Nothing wrong in celebrating one’s inner child.
What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?
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Wolverine, in that yellow costume, was a huge part of a lot of people’s childhoods. Nothing wrong in celebrating one’s inner child.
I don't. I celebrate when people find an outlet for their emotions with art and media.
If you go to the YouTube video for Picard season 3, where the TNG crew walk on to the Enterprise-D's bridge, there's dozens upon dozens of comments where people talk about breaking down into tears watching that scene. It reminded them of watching TNG with parents that have passed away, or just let them enjoy something that reminded them of a moment in their life.
If a piece of media can do that for people, it's not something that should worry people. It's something that should be congratulated.
Agree to disagree. I don't get it.
Moved by characters? Absolutely. Moved by a set piece?
Open casket or closed?
And when that "specific piece" of the costume is pulled out, Deadpool even made a joke about that specifically. Which backs my point up about it not being a coincidence that the only movie in twenty-four years to try to replicate the comics look being the one that was meant to be a comedy.
And regardless, this isn't the reason the movie is such a blockbuster. Is it a reason the movie is resonating with fans? Maybe, but only a small reason. Keep in mind, the fandom only comprises 1% of the movie's box office haul. That means there's something about this movie which is appealing to the rest of the layman audience, and that isn't Wolverine's costume.
You might be missing people who aren’t fans, but have had exposure growing up.
Agree to disagree. I don't get it.
Moved by characters? Absolutely. Moved by a set piece?
Why don’t you stick to radio if visuals truly mean nothing to you?
While I agree I will attempt to be somewhat sympathetic for something I find borderline ridiculous. It's the touch of familiarity that draws people in to engage in the story in the first place, the idea that this is a familiar place, maybe even a safe place, or something that reminds them of the past.
No, it's not the only draw but it can be a draw to those who maybe enjoyed comics with that costume, or watched the cartoon, or recognize it from an action figure. I think the penetration of familiarity is the driving force rather than just the film itself.
It also speaks to why making a successful film is hard. How familiar is it? What are people going to be drawn in by? Why does it resonate? Those are all multiple questions answered by a huge number of factors that can't all be controlled for. It's why we see repeats of themes from TWOK, or familiar villains in Trek because they're like, "There! That must be the reason it engaged and is popular."
It can't be fully quantified and that drives bean counters nuts because it's possible, to quote Lucas, to "mess this up and to make no money." He was commenting to Frank Oz on the set of The Phantom Menace at the time. This idea that one thing, the costume, is the only thing is absurd, but it can't be completely ignored either.
Humans are absurd creatures.
That's my primary way of engaging with media. Or just listening to it.
Moved by characters? Absolutely. Moved by a set piece?
I suppose people are not moved by the set piece, they’re moved by the memories the set piece brings up.
I got emotional when the Enterprise D appeared again for the first time in 29 years. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
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Even people who didn't like PIC thought that was a beautiful moment. It made the harshest critics fanboys, if just for one moment.
I still haven’t seen it.
I suppose so. Characters move me more.
I'm growing to dislike the word nostalgia lately, as I feel like it's being used to diminish the effect that stories have on people, whether the story is 60 years old, 20 years old, or brand new.
I mean, I've been watching a lot of reaction videos lately and I've noticed people having similar responses to the appearance of things that they were first introduced to maybe 6 months ago. People don't just react to the return of the Enterprise because it reminds them of their carefree childhood, they react because IT'S THE ENTERPRISE. We love the Enterprise!
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The Enterprise is a character, and I get moved by her, too. Seeing the tour in TMP of the refit Enterprise, for example... simply gorgeous and felt good.
Seeing the Entetprise-D in PICARD season 3... gave me a wonderful feeling.
Seeing the Entetprise-D in PICARD season 3... gave me a wonderful feeling.
Borrowing this.
Can only blame Fuller to an extent. CBS isn't evil, just... terribly managed.
Sure, they had Fuller come in and do a bunch of the initial prep work for the show. And then... he left. There was no particular reason they had to then slavishly and dogmatically follow his vision... there may have been some things that were already too far in to change, that's fair. But... they continued on well past Fuller having anything to do with anything.
CBS could have also swatted Fuller down early on, when he was like "I'm gonna do Star Trek, except I don't want it to look like Star Trek" and they say "No."
I work in marketing. If I hired someone to work for one of my brands and they were like "Ok, so here's what i'm gonna do, i'm going to do this marketing that looks like nothing like the brand"... i'd fire them so hard it would leave a crater in the ground.
It would depend how deep CBS was into spending money.
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