Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread

[Tosk]

I wonder how much Kraven got fucked with in post. (The bit with him speaking Russian sounds like bad looping.) Let's see how much from the first trailer makes it into the film.

(Morbius and Madame Web were both..."manipulated" quite a bit from where they were originally meant to be.)

 

[Skipper]

Was it always a 'R' movie?

 

[Mage]

Was it always a 'R' movie?

Not sure if it was always the plan, but it got that rating a week ago.

I have no knowledge about Kraven except for some stuff from the Spiderman cartoon from the 90's. So this looks like something I'd watch on streaming with some snacks and a beer and be entertained well enough for about two hours. I have no need to rush to the cinema's for it though.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Meh, still don't care. Doesn't help that it looks like a generic action film with some supernatural elements, while having no real sense that it's based off a comic book character, let alone Marvel.

Although, I will say the shot of Rhino was pretty cool. Maybe I'll just wait for that full sequence to show up on YouTube and call it a day.

(The bit with him speaking Russian sounds like bad looping.)

Yeah, that was pretty damn atrocious.

 

[Commander Troi]

Well, that was... violent. I'm not sure it's anything else.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

But...but...he supports animal rights!

Or some such rot.

 

[Thestral]

Meh, still don't care. Doesn't help that it looks like a generic action film with some supernatural elements, while having no real sense that it's based off a comic book character, let alone Marvel.

You know, I'm not saying it's going to be this good, but after rewatching the first Blade movie recently (after Daredevil and Wolverine)... is that necessarily the worst idea?

I'm not advocating for a return of the 90s but it's interesting that Men in Black and Blade were both comic book movies that didn't feel like it?

(This Kraven himself does feel like the kind of motherfucker that would try to skate uphill though)

 

[JD]

Still not doing much for me, I might watch it on streaming just out of curiosity, but it's definitely something I'm excited for.
Do we know exactly what the rules are about the characters in the movies being used in MCU movies? If Marvel wanted to go they still introduce their own versions of the characters, or would they have to use these versions?
No Way Home already established that Tom Hardy's Venom is from a different universe, so would they be able say the same thing about Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven and then just do their own thing?

 

[Skywalker]

They just need to release Kraven already so we can all move on.

 

[Christopher]

Do we know exactly what the rules are about the characters in the movies being used in MCU movies? If Marvel wanted to go they still introduce their own versions of the characters, or would they have to use these versions?
No Way Home already established that Tom Hardy's Venom is from a different universe, so would they be able say the same thing about Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven and then just do their own thing?

They can use whatever Spidey characters they want, as long as they license those characters from Sony first, just like they did with Spidey in Civil War and the Avengers films. Sony has the exclusive movie rights to Spider-Man characters, which means any version of those characters, regardless of which "universe" they're in. After all, any movie adaptation of a comics character is going to be in a different continuity from the original comics that the studio licensed the character from. Sony bought the exclusive rights to create cinematic interpretations of the characters in Spider-Man comics, which means no other studio gets to create their own cinematic versions those characters, not unless they sub-license the rights from Sony.

I mean, if the in-universe "version" of a character mattered, then anyone could create a bootleg version of a copyrighted character just by saying, "Hey, my version of Batman is in a different reality than yours." Which is the exact thing that copyrights and licenses exist to prevent.

 

[JD]

I know all of that, I've been following this Hollywood and the production of this kind of stuff for a long time now, but what I was wondering about is what if there was rule set up in the deal about using characters that Sony is using in their movies.

 

[Xerxes82]

I know all of that, I've been following this Hollywood and the production of this kind of stuff for a long time now, but what I was wondering about is what if there was rule set up in the deal about using characters that Sony is using in their movies.

The rumor that I saw going around just today (which comes from a leaker with an ok but not pristine track record so let us all take it with a suitable spoonful of salt) is that Sony blocks Marvel from using any character they have used themselves. So that means no Kraven, no Rhino for the MCU. Also, no Morbius and likely no Venom. Though a lot of the speculations about a 4th Holland film have centered on the black suit, so who knows?

That said, I'm sure if Disney wanted somebody bad enough they'd find the magic amount of $$ that got that deal done.

I'm not entirely convinced of that one, time will tell. Venom seems too good to pass up if they get Holland back, or at least the black suit saga. And honestly there are plenty of villains Marvel does have the rights to that they could use. Wilson Fisk being right at the top of that list in my mind.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

You know, I'm not saying it's going to be this good, but after rewatching the first Blade movie recently (after Daredevil and Wolverine)... is that necessarily the worst idea?

I'm not advocating for a return of the 90s but it's interesting that Men in Black and Blade were both comic book movies that didn't feel like it?

(This Kraven himself does feel like the kind of motherfucker that would try to skate uphill though)

I mean, that's a fair point. I guess what I was trying to get at is I don't see the point of this film.

Part of it is my own bias since I know the character's history and I still find it mindboggling how they could do a Kraven story without Spider-Man, but I said the same about Venom, so what do I know? (I know I still don't give a damn about those films despite my love for Tom Hardy)

I also think the film is taking itself waaaaaay too seriously regardless of the source material.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But...but...he supports animal rights!

Or some such rot.

Is that a thing now? Dude sure likes leather and animal prints.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Is that a thing now? Dude sure likes leather and animal prints.

Yup! I had to do some digging to find where I had read it and this came up from two years ago via Variety:

Taylor Johnson also spoke about his experience shooting “Kraven the Hunter,” who he described as “one of Marvel’s most iconic, notorious anti-heroes — Spider Man’s number one rival.” He said he found exciting the fact that this character is “not an alien, or a wizard. He’s just a hunter, a human with conviction. An animal lover and a protector of the natural world. He’s a very, very cool character.”​

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yup! I had to do some digging to find where I had read it and this came up from two years ago via Variety:

Taylor Johnson also spoke about his experience shooting “Kraven the Hunter,” who he described as “one of Marvel’s most iconic, notorious anti-heroes — Spider Man’s number one rival.” He said he found exciting the fact that this character is “not an alien, or a wizard. He’s just a hunter, a human with conviction. An animal lover and a protector of the natural world. He’s a very, very cool character.”​

Amazing, every thing Taylor Johnson said is wrong.

 

[Mage]

The rumor that I saw going around just today (which comes from a leaker with an ok but not pristine track record so let us all take it with a suitable spoonful of salt) is that Sony blocks Marvel from using any character they have used themselves. So that means no Kraven, no Rhino for the MCU. Also, no Morbius and likely no Venom.

But Venom/Tom Hardy were part of the No Way Home end credits. Eddy was having that cocktail, talking to a bartender about some stuff, and get zapped back to his universe. However, a small part of the symbiote was left behind.

 

[Christopher]

The rumor that I saw going around just today (which comes from a leaker with an ok but not pristine track record so let us all take it with a suitable spoonful of salt) is that Sony blocks Marvel from using any character they have used themselves. So that means no Kraven, no Rhino for the MCU. Also, no Morbius and likely no Venom. Though a lot of the speculations about a 4th Holland film have centered on the black suit, so who knows?

That sounds like it's basically just common sense. I mean, the whole point of a license is that Sony has the exclusive film rights to the characters, unless they choose to sublicense them. And the characters they've chosen to make movies about are the ones they feel are worth investing in, so it stands to reason that they'd want to keep their exclusivity over those characters while being more flexible about the characters they haven't used.

As you say, though, it's always possible that Disney could convince them with a sweet enough deal, like they did with Spidey himself.

 

[kirk55555]

While I get having exclusive characters, if Sonyy were going to block the MCU from using Venom, or a variation of him, why put a whole scene into No Way Home with Eddie Brock that only exists to leave a chunk of the Venom symbiote in the main MCU universe? There is no way that Marvel "went rogue" with that scene, and it was definitely a potential tease for an MCU thing, not a Sonyverse thing.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

While I get having exclusive characters, if Sonyy were going to block the MCU from using Venom, or a variation of him, why put a whole scene into No Way Home with Eddie Brock that only exists to leave a chunk of the Venom symbiote in the main MCU universe? There is no way that Marvel "went rogue" with that scene, and it was definitely a potential tease for an MCU thing, not a Sonyverse thing.

Am I wrong in remembering that originally he was meant to be one of the bad guys in the last Spider-Man movie and that was originally the tease for setting that up, but then things changed and nothing came of that aspect?