What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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If I was re-imagining Discovery from the ground up:
The Geogiou-Burnham relationship:
The Geogiou-Burnham relationship:
- Make the basic dynamics of the cast be Georgiou as captain, Burnham as XO, and Saru as third-in-line.
- Take the entire mutiny aspect out of the pilot, as well as Geogiou's murder. Introduce Lorca as another influential Starfleet captain during the Battle of the Binary Stars that advocates a more aggressive course of action, but a strategy that you could honestly see the merit of. There is possibly no right answer as to how to handle the situation. But Georgiou pushes and ultimately decides that as Starfleet officers they have to give peace a chance. However, it becomes a mixed bag where they're able to survive the incident but it has lasting negative consequences and a significant number of red-shirts die.
- Make how Georgiou decides to handle the situation be a disagreement between Burnham and Georgiou that colors their mentor/friend relationship for the rest of the season (e.g., maybe Burnham lost good friends in the battle), that when the entire situation goes off the rails it becomes a point where doubts creep in about Burnham's fidelity to Federation values, and opens the door to her considering Lorca's point of view.
- The best way I could see something like this working would be to imagine Picard as captain, but with Sisko as his first officer, as the threats they're facing become worse and worse. You would intrinsically trust Picard as a leader and he would give beautiful speeches about the principles they're defending and the values they need to uphold. But someone like Sisko might consider whether the words of "saints in paradise" is enough, or you need to go beyond those values sometimes to protect paradise.
- Instead of being a refugee from the Mirror Universe, give Lorca the Admiral Cornwell position. Make the contrast between Georgiou and Lorca similar to the contrast between Picard and Jellico. Except, in this case, the first officer finds themselves more and more conflicted because they're agreeing with the Jellico-type position from time to time and becomes more and more seduced by his ideas.
- I love the design of the USS Shenzhou and kind of wished they had used the Walker Class as the basis for the "hero-ship." I'm not the biggest fan of bridge windows, but I thought it looked really cool in the Shenzhou with the bridge on the underside of the saucer. And I like the proportions of the Shenzhou and the Walker Class much better than Discovery.
- Instead of it just being a computational problem that needs tardigrade DNA to work, make the Spore Drive very difficult to work and very dangerous, which would explain why it never replaced Warp Drive on a widespread basis. Maybe you can jump from one place in the galaxy to the next instantaneously, but maybe you also have crew members disappear after a jump is complete. Maybe sometimes people materialize halfway inside a bulkhead. Maybe sometimes people are hideously altered (i.e., think the transporter accident in The Motion Picture). Maybe sometimes in the jumps perceptions of time and reality become horribly altered and surreal. That way the Spore Drive can be used when it's truly needed, but there's a risk and cost.
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I especially like this - so much potential!
OMG that was beautiful.
(SPOILER - I'm not going to tag a 25 year old episode but if you haven't seen all of DS9 and still care, avert your eyes.)
I'll also add that if you (not "you" obviously) didn't "get" Garak then I'll point to the end of the show when he is BITTERLY devastated by the state of Cardassia. I always thought it was clearly because of his love of his world and its culture and history. But now I realize that its also because he sold his soul for nothing. And also the other thing. It's all ashes.
You know what? This is just making Empress Georgiou bore me more.
Worf was better before he got with Dax.
Still better than Garak.
Still better than Garak.
The best Worf is... (cough gag) Picard 3 Worf. He is the only character in that whole show that I actually believe in the entire time. I want the rest of the show to be as good as he is.
(Speaking of spoilers: Picard 3 spoiled me for DS9 while I was finally watching the last season.)
(Speaking of spoilers: Picard 3 spoiled me for DS9 while I was finally watching the last season.)
Who knows? Maybe he was!
I honestly think Lorca did everything he could to help Starfleet win the war against the Klingons. I don't think he had a sinister agenda or anything like that. True, all he really wanted was to get home (understandable of course) but while he was in the prime universe, he did his best.
And we don't really know what kind of a person he was in the MU, either. I doubt he was the bloodthirsty war-mongerer that the Empress was. For all we know he could have made a much better emperor. He could have been the good guy in all of that.
As for prime Lorca, I think the thrust of the gist is that he was a good person. Admiral Cornwell said that the Lorca she knew was "measured" and "reasoned".
And I ALSO think that prime Lorca is still alive. If anyone from Prime can survive in the MU, it's him. It may take a novel, but he'll be back.
Raffi and Worf were a great couple. They belonged together.
Raffi had WAY more chemistry with Worf than she ever did with Seven. (Except for those scenes in S2 when they were constantly bickering as they drove around L.A. I did enjoy those.
) Oh, sorry, does that make me a certain kind of "phobic"? 
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That was an odd end to the post.
I live to serve.
srsly, I just wanted to put the lie to the suspicion that the reason I didn't like Seven and Raffi as a couple was because they were both women. I didn't like it because they had no chemistry. I can absolutely believe that Raffi and Worf would end up together. They just...FIT, as a couple, in a way that Seven and Raffi never did.
And I'll hazard a guess that it's gonna be just a tad awkward that Seven's XO is now, well, her ex.
In a roundabout way, they did what THE ORVILLE did... have the captain and XO be exes. (In that case, marriage.)
I really, really hope that Legacy becomes a thing.
If nothing else, we GOTTA hear what Seven's catch phrase is going to be!
If nothing else, we GOTTA hear what Seven's catch phrase is going to be!
I really, really hope that Legacy becomes a thing.
If nothing else, we GOTTA hear what Seven's catch phrase is going to be!
“Warp Speed Will Now Commence!”
I didn't see Worf and Raffi as that kind of couple - they were perfect "buddy cops" together IMO.I live to serve.
srsly, I just wanted to put the lie to the suspicion that the reason I didn't like Seven and Raffi as a couple was because they were both women. I didn't like it because they had no chemistry. I can absolutely believe that Raffi and Worf would end up together. They just...FIT, as a couple, in a way that Seven and Raffi never did.
And I'll hazard a guess that it's gonna be just a tad awkward that Seven's XO is now, well, her ex.
I really like Worf in DS9, he was an enrichment for the show and his character developed very well compared to TNG. The love story with Jadzia was exciting imo and the end was very sad. I actually cried when Jadzia died, even when I knew Terry Farrel left the show. But I also like Worf in PICARD. I like Raffi, too. The love story with Seven was kinda weird and mysterious though. We didn't learn much about it, there have just been a few scenes. In season one they were holding hands once, in season 2 they kissed once. In season 3 Raffi told Worf, my girlfriend left me and we can suppose it was Seven. When they meet again on the ship there is some tension between them. In the end they fight together against the Borg and stay on the same ship but we don't know if they are a couple again.
Picard should of ended at Season 1...with Picard dying and getting to see his friend one last time. A beautiful scene, ruined by the constant clamour of LETS JUST BRING ALL THE OLDIES BACK/RESURRECTED TO GET RATINGS in Season 3.
People tend to forget that this, even for Roddenberry, is the whole point of making TV shows. No one is doing it for free, and the more people that watch, the more popular the property becomes and, in turn, enriches the creators and studios.
Yes, to get ratings is how TV shows stay on the air. That's how this business works. It's the first rule in the TOS bible is to entertain a certain number of viewers or they don't stay on the air.
This is a business process, not a charity, not a philosophical treatise. It is meant to get ratings and to bring in viewers.
And it succeeded.
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