In my head canon at some point after the Spock/Pike incident in "The Menagerie" Starfleet Command gave the Talos IV general order a new number. Bureaucratic mentality and all.
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Put the bottle down.
To me, part of Discovery's "original sin" was killing off (Prime Universe) Georgiou.
First of all, if one re-watches the pilot, Michelle Yeoh is soooo much more interesting being a leader as a Starfleet captain than the over-the-top caricature they turned her into as Empress Georgiou.
Also, in all of Star Trek, we've never had a female captain-female first officer dynamic, and I think that would have been interesting and different, in how it might contrast to what's come before.
Even if you still wanted to center the story on Michael as the lead, I feel like Discovery would have worked so much better if you had just regular Georgiou there as a friend/mentor, with the dynamics of that relationship tested as they face new threats.
First of all, if one re-watches the pilot, Michelle Yeoh is soooo much more interesting being a leader as a Starfleet captain than the over-the-top caricature they turned her into as Empress Georgiou.
Also, in all of Star Trek, we've never had a female captain-female first officer dynamic, and I think that would have been interesting and different, in how it might contrast to what's come before.
Even if you still wanted to center the story on Michael as the lead, I feel like Discovery would have worked so much better if you had just regular Georgiou there as a friend/mentor, with the dynamics of that relationship tested as they face new threats.
Holy Shit. We actually agree on something.
I once saw a comment about Garak at the AV Club where they argued he liked to hang out with Bashir because Bashir's idealism speaks to how "everybody needs someone that gives them hope and to be the sunshine in their life."
I always felt like what made Andrew Robinson's performance great is that he plays Garak as a cynical realist, with a mysterious and dark past, but who makes the audience feel he wants to be more than that. Garak has done horrible things in the past, and during the course of Deep Space Nine he murders people (e.g., "In The Pale Moonlight"), but I always felt Robinson plays the character with just an ever-so-slight hint of regret. That he does those horrible things because he believes they have to be done, but down-deep he wishes he didn't.
That, on some level, Garak wants to believe in the "root beer" and the "insidious" Federation values and how they might "save them," but he can't get there yet.
Yeah, probably.
Then have them go to the MU, and have her square off against herself and win.
100% agreed. And I also think Lorca would have been a more interesting character with Georgiou to contrast him and Michael caught in between them.
I take this as an opportunity to develop my own fan fiction:
1. General Order 7 was revised after the Talos IV "The Menagerie" events to remove the death penalty for visiting the planet. With Pike now living on the planet, technically, he could be considered an ambassador/representative from the Federation, and not a criminal under the death penalty.
2. General Order 4 was revised in that 2 year window to include the death penalty for whatever is the violation in GO4. If we assume that this event occurred during one of the TOS episodes, then which one? My head canon points to "The Omega Glory" and the actions of Captain Ron Tracy, and as a result, Starfleet upping the penalty for violating the Prime Directive for personal gain or some such words. An alternate event could be something to do with changing Federation history via time travel.
YMMV
.There's still hope for Captain Georgiou. I know the Klingons SAID they ate her, but it doesn't mean they actually did.
Probably just Klingon boasting.
Even the Ferengi were believed at one point to eat their associates
I also believe in the 23rd century General Order 7 is the only death penalty left on the book, and that by the late 24th century, the death penalty has long since been abolished in the Federation and Starfleet. (At least, that's what I like to believe).
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My thought, along with this, is that visiting Talos IV no longer carries the death penalty and the Federation had begun making efforts to help the Talosian civilization recover.
THE LIGHTS OF ZETAR is a classic.....something.
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Just Picard believing anything he reads on FacebookEven the Ferengi were believed at one point to eat their associates
Probably on a Starfleet-only accessible version, Fleetbook, which has 'we're Starfleet, we don't lie!' as a motto.
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Put the bottle down.
I also think it could've worked better if Lorca was a genuinely bad person actually from the Federation who was honestly impressed by the Terran Empire and didn't want to leave.
I think Lorca would have been better as a hard ass war mongerer while Georgiou's trying a peaceful resolution as the Klingon War heats up. He sees Discovery as a weapon while Georgiou sees it as an equalizer to bring about peace.
Burnham is caught in the middle, her past experience with Klingons clouding her judgement as she aims to stop the war from causing more damage.
Burnham is caught in the middle, her past experience with Klingons clouding her judgement as she aims to stop the war from causing more damage.
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