He's supposed to be a descendant of both Doom and Reed Richards somewhere down the line
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He's supposed to be a descendant of both Doom and Reed Richards somewhere down the line
Yes, that’s how things eventually played out.
Just a theory but what if Doctor Doom arrives and kills Kang. He takes his mask off and the world see's Tony Stark and he becomes celebrated as a hero who is going to save the world from it;'s problems. Only we know he is really Victor von Doom from a alternate universe.The Avengers even first see him as a hero and just think he just like their Tony Stark only to realize he has a evil plan and then they have to fight him. Only the world still thinks he is a hero so the Avengers are seen as bad guys. Maybe a few even refuse to believe he is bad and still sides with him. The movie ends with Doom winning. Most of the Avengers are locked up.
With the Avengers out of the way this opens the door for the next phase to mostly be about the X-Men and Fantastic Four. We don't see the Avengers again till the next Avengers movie and Dr Doom is finally being exposed and defeated. Also why he looks like Stark is because of science but he can only look like him for so long so he often has to wear his helmet to keep people seeing what he really looks like.
With the Avengers out of the way this opens the door for the next phase to mostly be about the X-Men and Fantastic Four. We don't see the Avengers again till the next Avengers movie and Dr Doom is finally being exposed and defeated. Also why he looks like Stark is because of science but he can only look like him for so long so he often has to wear his helmet to keep people seeing what he really looks like.
In Doom's case it kind of does. RDJ is 59 years old, now, in 2024. The FF movie is set sixty years ago. Unless time-travel hijinks are involved, how are they going to pull that off? Will Doom be 59 in 1963 as well? Is he immortal? Will he keep his mask on all the time to keep people from noticing? Why pay RDJ a boatload of money if we don't actually see him, and how will they hand-wave it away if we do? Unnecessary problems.
The Fantastic Four are also supposed to be in the Doomsday and Secret Wars, so if Doom does come from their reality, then whatever brings them to modern 616 will probably also bring Doom forward, or vice versa.
I've seen a couple people ask what the 2015 Secret Wars is about. I haven't read the series myself, but I've read quite about, so I'm family with the basic outline.
The lead up to the series saw a whole bunch of multiversal incursions happen all over the multiverse, which lead to the whole thing collapsing. Dr. Doom, who has developed god level powers, and he saves a handful of the universes, and combines them into one giant patchwork planet with different pieces of it coming from different universes called Battleworld. With areas like Old Man Logan Wasteland, an area overrun with zombies, a 1601 area, and House of M area. Oh, and their police force is made up of a whole bunch of different versions of Thor. I believe a small group of comic book 616 heroes manage to survive and overthrow Doom, and I think Reed Richards and Sue Storm's son is at least partly responsible for rebuilding the multiverse.
I've seen a couple people ask what the 2015 Secret Wars is about. I haven't read the series myself, but I've read quite about, so I'm family with the basic outline.
The lead up to the series saw a whole bunch of multiversal incursions happen all over the multiverse, which lead to the whole thing collapsing. Dr. Doom, who has developed god level powers, and he saves a handful of the universes, and combines them into one giant patchwork planet with different pieces of it coming from different universes called Battleworld. With areas like Old Man Logan Wasteland, an area overrun with zombies, a 1601 area, and House of M area. Oh, and their police force is made up of a whole bunch of different versions of Thor. I believe a small group of comic book 616 heroes manage to survive and overthrow Doom, and I think Reed Richards and Sue Storm's son is at least partly responsible for rebuilding the multiverse.
If rumors turn out to be true, Doom will only be appearing in a post-credits stinger, so Downey's age might not matter.
From what I remember its Franklin Richards and Molecule Man who are both used to remake the multiverse, with Reed and Sue supervising and Valeria also there. Also, just an interesting note, in Battleworld Dr. Doom (being the pathetic guy he is) doesn't have any versions of Reed existing (although the main Reed Richards saved himself from the multiverse collapsing, as did the evil Reed Richards known as The Maker), while taking Sue as his wife and Valeria Richards as his daughter on battleworld (I don't think Franklin is around either, but I can't remember the specifics of that because he's definitely there by the end when the FF and the kids go off with Molecule Man to remake the multiverse).
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That and also, if it's a 'trailer' for a movie that has never been announced anywhere and has no associated news stories, cast lists, etc. 'Iron Man 4' doesn't exist.
The FF movie is not set 60 years ago. It's set in a completely different timeline. It automatically has to involve the characters traveling out of their timeline into the MCU 616 timeline in order for them to ever interact with the other MCU characters. And they've already said (in Endgame, Loki, etc) that traveling to different timelines involves time travel by definition and can result in you arriving at whatever time or place you want as long as your calculations are correct.
Answering those questions is the filmmakers' job. If we don't have the answers, that doesn't mean the answers don't exist, it means we're not the ones making the movie and don't know what ideas they've come up with. In the absence of facts, the only sensible thing is to assume nothing.
For one thing, I don't believe it's clear whether the FF movie is actually "set sixty years ago" or is set in an alternate universe's present with sixties-ish style. Even if it is set partly in the past, it seems obvious that the story would bring the FF into the present-day MCU with time travel.
De-aging. It would not be the first time it was used on RDJ in a Marvel movie. I'm just glad the film is set in the 60s, and while the FF will eventually time travel (if you recall, in the 60's comics, both Richards and Doom had working time machines, the latter famously used in The Avengers #56 from 1968), at least the "first step"/origin is set in the correct time.
Yes. It will make for a bigger surprise when he does appear
Hugh Jackman had said he was done after Logan.
ENDGAME itself was diverse due largely to its overpopulated cast during the endgame. What I've noticed in the follow-ups is a tendency for the leads to shower-comment assorted supporting players on how special they are.....even if it doesn't advance the plot one whit and is absolutely irrelevant to the major crisis. (See the HAWKEYE series, which compensates its out-of-the-blue cheerleading with mostly better relevant moments.)
He’s looking great here:
Damn glad to see that! When he was here for Con in 2023, he was still limping.
His recovery and his attitude about it are just absolutely inspiring.
Jonathan Majors was asked by TMZ what he thought about RDJ replacing his character Kang for Dr.Doom. He was also asked about Ezra Miller and RDJ also having trouble with the law.
#KangWho?