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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Loki season 2 could be seen as a conclusion of that storyline.
I don't remember it that well, so I wasn't sure if the Kang variant there would have had any effect on the wider multiverse.

Are we all agreed that Chris Hemsworth will return as Thor for the next two AVENGERS films? Who do you expect to see in the lineup?
Thor, Sam Wilson/Captain America, Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, The Wasp, Hulk, Clint Barton/Hawkeye. I could maybe see She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Kate Bishop/Hawkeye showing up, but I'm not sure as sure about them.

I stumbled across a leaked recording of the FF footage on youtube, and it looks fantastic.
I wonder if the outfit that RDJ was wearing is the actual Doom costume they're using in the movies, or just something they put together for Comic-Con.
 
I'm starting to wonder if Feige should have stuck to his guns and killed ALL the OG Avengers off in Endgame then and there. Forcing the rise of the "2nd Generation".

Though the bigger problem with a lot of the new characters is that the MCU was really bad with women and nonwhites for 10 years so going from an a nearly all white male cast to a more appropriate one with more women and nonwhites was always going to be a hard sell.

As badly run as it's been, DC was better with women at least and had them be there in major roles nearly right from the start.
 
I think that is a really good analogy. It is like in decades past when studios would stunt cast actors from a program or movie in the reboot as a stunt. I'm thinking spots like Buster Crabbe in Buck Rogers, or Glaser and Soul in the 2004 Starsky and Hutch, or Richard Roundtree in the 2000 Shaft.

It certainly feels that way, and historically, stunt casting was designed to call attention to the fact it is a stunt--either a wink at the audience (taking them out of the story), or a reminder that the production added something unnecessary.

Would it have been so hard for Disney to cast somebody who's actually eastern European for an iconic eastern European villain?


Apparently so, but it appears Disney/Marvel believe RDJ is some walking magical injection the MCU needs to guarantee future success.

Or at least somebody European? Alexander or Bill Skarsgard jump immediately to mind as good choices for Doom and I'm sure there's plenty even better.

Oh, I'm almost positive there's endless known, highly talented European actors who could fit that role.

"It's Tony Stark... but not!" is such a disservice to Victor Von Doom.

Audiences--particularly MCU fans may not forget that, especially since many have been vocal about their desire for RDJ to return as a resurrected Iron Man.

ETA: Also, why would you cast one of the most famous actors, the face of your universe, who's obviously been cast because you think people want to see that actor again, for a character whose iconic image is that his face is completely covered by a mask? Tony Stark was one thing, because he's only masked up in the suit, but Doom is always masked. This is gonna be worse than Julian McMahon from the 00s in that regard.

There is that chance.
 
I could get behind RDJ as Doom if it's really a character role behind a mask, letting him reinvent himself as totally as he did in Oppenheimer, playing it totally differently from Stark and letting him show what a versatile actor he really is, something that's been hard to see when he's kept playing the same role in a long-running franchise.

It's still a weird choice, though, and smacks of a desperation move to bring people back to theaters.
 
I really really hope they're not making Doom a Tony Stark variant. Let him be Doom.
The Russo Brothers referred to him as "Victor von Doom".

The precedent has already been set. If Chris Evans can play both Captain America and the Human Torch for Marvel Studios, then RDJ can play both Tony Stark and Doom.
 
D23 in two weeks

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We should know by then whether Blade is still on the table or pushed back.
Good to know. Looking forward to what else the future holds. Maybe we'll even get a trailer or two.
 
Would they be far enough into Thunderbolts* to have some footage for a trailer at D23? I was a little surprised we didn't get one yesterday, but it could be that they're saving it for D23.
If not that maybe we could get something for Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man or Daredevil: Born Again.
 
The Russo Brothers referred to him as "Victor von Doom".

The precedent has already been set. If Chris Evans can play both Captain America and the Human Torch for Marvel Studios, then RDJ can play both Tony Stark and Doom.
There's also a chance he could be a Tony variant that was just adopted as an infant into the von Doom family and named Victor, maybe orphaned or something.

But yeah, this is all speculation.
 
Complete panel sans previews.

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If Harrison Ford is having this much fun on stage I can only imagine that he had a blast filming the movie.

David Harbour steals the show during the Thunderbolts* panel.

I actually got to see the Fantastic Four test footage when it was briefly available on YouTube. Disney swooped in on it real fast. I liked what I saw.
 
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Would they be far enough into Thunderbolts* to have some footage for a trailer at D23? I was a little surprised we didn't get one yesterday, but it could be that they're saving it for D23.
Footage was shown yesterday. I posted a link with a description of those scenes.
 
I see nothing desperate or unreasonable about Feige turning to proven collaborators to do another project for him. It seems like a perfectly natural thing to do. And all this talk of "last-minute saves" is overly melodramatic.

It's still a weird choice, though, and smacks of a desperation move to bring people back to theaters.

Why aren't they making creative choices like making Galactus a cloud?
 
Kevin Feige- Hey Matt. We're going to cast RDJ as Dr. Doom. You cool with us taking control of casting decisions?

Matt- Uh....

Kevin Feige- Great! See you at work on Monday!

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They didn't say he would be in Fantastic Four (unless I missed that), just the Avengers movies, though I could see him being in a post credits scene or something.

I don't remember it that well, so I wasn't sure if the Kang variant there would have had any effect on the wider multiverse.
i thought I read that they said RDJ would be a Domm variant, like, say, Sylvie. Is it possible we will have a "real" Dr. Doom , possibly seen in Fantastic FOur, and leading into Avengers?

(and to answer someone's question...i don't know for sur,e but i imagine it would totally be a made-up COmic Con "cosplay" costume....not the "real thing"

I would imagine it is a reworking of of Kang Dynasty, but making the Doom variants, and different actors, so they can better ("more naturally" play off each other.

I wonder if the modification and how it should have been the original character will be as obvious as Shazam?

Thor, Sam Wilson/Captain America, Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, The Wasp, Hulk, Clint Barton/Hawkeye. I could maybe see She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Kate Bishop/Hawkeye showing up, but I'm not sure as sure about them.

I stumbled across a leaked recording of the FF footage on youtube, and it looks fantastic.
I wonder if the outfit that RDJ was wearing is the actual Doom costume they're using in the movies, or just something they put together for Comic-Con.

I'm starting to wonder if Feige should have stuck to his guns and killed ALL the OG Avengers off in Endgame then and there. Forcing the rise of the "2nd Generation".

Though the bigger problem with a lot of the new characters is that the MCU was really bad with women and nonwhites for 10 years so going from an a nearly all white male cast to a more appropriate one with more women and nonwhites was always going to be a hard sell.

As badly run as it's been, DC was better with women at least and had them be there in major roles nearly right from the start.
Considering his accident, i don't think we will really see Jeremy Renner as an active Hawkeye. Maybe some cameo, though.

True, the general audience hasn't seen as much of the new characters as we did ... and really, there are so many it is harder to for there to be big fan bases. But i really think they can move forward.

We just need these Avengers movies to feel like an "event", the way Infinity Wars, ENdgame and No Way home did.


p.s. Exactly how was the "newer" Secret Wars set up? The thing i loved about the original (the first and only one i read...well, the sequel, Secret Wars 2, but i don't remember much from that) was that it indeed set up battles between good guys and bad guys.



Oh, and they absolutely must include this:

SPiderman: "We need to get some super friends so we can challenge this Legion of Doom's"
Captain America gives Spiderman "The Look"
Spiderman:"What did I say???"
 
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Kevin Feige- Hey Matt. We're going to cast RDJ as Dr. Doom. You cool with us taking control of casting decisions?

Matt- Uh....

Kevin Feige- Great! See you at work on Monday!

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If Doom isn't a character in the FF movie then the director of that movie's opinion really doesn't matter. Dr. Doom in this is obviously a threat to the multiverse for the MCU, why would anyone but Feige or the Russos cast the character? The FF director doesn't get "dibs" just because the character is associated with the characters in his movie, not if the character in question isn't in the movie in a major role (credit scenes and cameos don't count).

As for RDJ as Doom, the more I've thought about it the more I love the idea. Its going to be so funny seeing all the people complaining have to eat humble pie when he does a good job and the movies make a fortune (not that the haters will ever actually acknowledge it). As I saw mentioned online earlier today, all of the Russo's MCU films have taken at least one big swing and have always been successful commercially, critically and with the audience. I'm sure that RDJ is going to blow people away as Dr. Doom, and I'm 100% behind the casting.
 
As for RDJ as Doom, the more I've thought about it the more I love the idea. Its going to be so funny seeing all the people complaining have to eat humble pie when he does a good job and the movies make a fortune (not that the haters will ever actually acknowledge it). As I saw mentioned online earlier today, all of the Russo's MCU films have taken at least one big swing and have always been successful commercially, critically and with the audience. I'm sure that RDJ is going to blow people away as Dr. Doom, and I'm 100% behind the casting.

I have no doubt that he will be great in the role. My objections are for other reasons--the shameless cash grab, that Dr. Doom should be a recurring, major threat, and that he shouldn't look like Iron Man. Now, if he is indeed a variant, and there is another unannounced actor who will be the actual Von Doom going forward from these next movies, then I might be willing to ignore the shameless cash grab.
 
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