Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Those new scenes looks great. Are we sure we know who the Red Hulk is in this movie?
Nothing says they have to follow the comics. So they could fool us all.
I was thinking the same thing. We all remember the Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Though personal preference, I hope they keep it as Ross. It made him a way more interesting character.
(I remember Jeff Parker's run on the red Hulk title back in the day being way better than the green guy's at the concurrent time, too.)
Plus, we know he's returning for Thunderbolts and it feels like his role as president makes more sense there than as Red Hulk.
Do we know that? I found a CBR article that seems to think so, but the Deadline article that they link to says nothing about Thunderbolts*, only Brave New World.
So would Batman if that was needed in his movie.
He's not listed on the IMDB page.
We already got a scene like that in The Batman. But then again, he survived an explosion in that movie as well. Those scenes took me out of that movie too.
All this is not to say, I didn't enjoy the movies. The Batman is one of my favorite Batman films.
I thought I saw a news story on it but I'll have to dig around more deeply tonight. Can't really look now.
Edit: A quick look yielded this Hollywood Reporter article about his role in Brave New World where it says he's also going to be in Thunderbolts*. That said, the article is from 2022.
That means nothing in either direction. IMDb is not reliable for future productions because because anyone can edit it. It's not anything remotely official.
Do we know for a fact that Sterns will definitely be The Leader? I've been wondering if they might mix things up and have Banner's blood that he was exposed to in THI actually turn him into the Red Hulk instead.
I tried looking through the article Wikpedia sites for their references to him being The Leader, and the only one I could find with a direct quote had Tim Blake Nelson but he only referred to his character as "this guy". But he did also talk about working with a makeup artist, and obviously Red Hulk is CGI, so that could rule him out.
Not saying that last part in bold as some across-the-board rule, nor was it ever my position. The MCU films in question are part of a series with double-digit entries, so its not as though Marvel was inexperienced, creating brand new concepts in uncharted waters. The producers had two obligations: one, make a creatively satisfying film, and two, live up to the expectations generated by the best films of their series. If one is to argue the two films met the two obligations and still failed, then what were the reasons that do not attempt to dismiss their non-propagandist critics outright? Personally, I do not believe social media hate-monger / propagandists torpedoed the films' chances (e.g., they absolutely despised Eternals, but that film earned a profit). They might be loud, and believe they can sink entertainment companies, but in truth, they do not have that kind of pull with the millions of people who would consider themselves regular MCU fans, so what happened?
Which took years, if you remembered.
It's already starting to happen, people are already admitting that they're not bad movies.
No more than The Thing and the The Shining were considered for years.
It's already happening
While I admit Quantumania has its issues, it's far from a bad film. I found it a lot of fun even if I wished they had explored more of the cultures of the Quantum Realm, but like I said in my review for it, I shouldn't criticize the film simply for leaving my hope unfulfilled. The only thing I would seriously criticize it for is not sticking to its guns and concluded the film with Scott and Hope trapped down there. I know they changed it because of poor reactions from test audiences, but I still think the film would've been far better with that ballsy, downer ender (yes, yes, it would be repetitive to Janet's arc but I don't care).
...which all comes back to the original argument: Opinions for Quantumania are completely subjective and cannot be conclusively stated as bad as a fact. That's just not how opinions work.
...which all comes back to the original argument: Opinions for Quantumania are completely subjective and cannot be conclusively stated as bad as a fact. That's just not how opinions work.
I agree that Quantumania was a weak entry in the Ant-Man trilogy, but it was far from being a bad film and it is a shame that it seems to have killed the possibility of Ant-Man IV.
My biggest problem with the movie was the ending as well. It would have been thematically appropriate to have at least one of the characters trapped in the Quantum Realms--or better yet transported to a different timeline of the multiverse. In fact, I was even expecting an end credits scene where we found out the family was in a different time stream.
My biggest problem with the movie was the ending as well. It would have been thematically appropriate to have at least one of the characters trapped in the Quantum Realms--or better yet transported to a different timeline of the multiverse. In fact, I was even expecting an end credits scene where we found out the family was in a different time stream.
If Quantumania had dumped that bad opening/closing narration, left in the original ending and polished the CGI a little more, I'd consider it a top-tier MCU film. As is, it's a mixed bag, which is nothing new or particularly awful.
ETA: Well, they also needed to completely rethink the council of kangs post credit scene, I guess.
For all it's flaws, I find Quantumania the best film in the Ant-man series as I feel like it's the only one that truly delivers on the core character arcs. (AMatW is hollow fluff that does basically nothing at all memorable and AM really screws the pooch with Hope's character arc).
But then, I never loved the humor of the series as much as most Ant-man fans (I was honestly relieved that Luis wasn't in Quantumania) and while the action of AM was incredible, the shrinking shtick was already underwhelming in AMatW so I didn't really mind them mostly doing a different sort of action.