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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

I have a controversial one:
Star Trek Nemesis - bad and disappointing as it is - is a better final send-off for the TNG crew than PIC season 3.
Fight me :D
I mean, I was never of the opinion Nemesis was bad. It was a fine action/adventure movie, and Data did the noble sacrifice, with a possible Legacy.

I'm sure there are some downer aspects, but to me, Data deciding to make the ultimate sacrifice is as interesting as part of his journey to becoming more human.

I would say that Season 3 was far more interesting for me with Worf and Raffi, and seeing Picard and Riker navigating this slightly different space post Dominion War.
 
Anyway, now that it's not in the wee hours of the morning, I have to ask: When was the last time some of you have actually seen Nemesis? If Bush was President and "freedom fries" were a thing, then you need to refresh your memory. It's not a good movie.

I finished my re-watch of TNG with the movies. I watched Nemesis the week before Picard Season 1, and the difference was night-and-day. Picard for the win. It wasn't even close. This year, I re-watched all four TNG Movies and then went straight into a re-watch of PIC Season 3. Once again, I liked PIC Season 3 better than Nemesis. It was a more enjoyable experience.

Nemesis was mind-numbing, dull, and depressing. It has a few moments, but not enough to save it. If they put in all the deleted scenes and cut all the action sequences down by half, then they might've had something.
 
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I hate Nemesis. It's the only Trek movie I refused to rewatch for decades.

Saw it a second time maybe a year or two ago. Still hated it.

Picard season 3 wasn't better than it. Not sure if it was worse or not, but when the quality is that low it doesn't really matter anymore.
 
Everything TNG since AGT hasn't been any good.

*No. I don't think much of First Contact either. Sure, it's the best of the lot, but it's still wholly mediocre.
 
The percentage "wrong" with Nemesis might be higher or lower than Picard 3. But it's far more even, and just because of the time it was made the characters feel closer to TNG no matter how much Stuart Baird might have wanted them not to. You don't have "You've killed us all!" You don't have Beverly disappearing with her and Jean-Luc's child for 20 years for no particular reason. (No GOOD reason.) And it doesn't have any of the frankly weird world building that went on in Picard in general. Raffi. Starfleet and the Federation in general. Yay! We brought back Ro! Awww, we can't let her live.

And it's a LOT shorter.
 
Because I believe in the concept of Yin-Yang (nothing's 100% one thing or 100% the other), I will say something good about Nemesis. I love the soundtrack. It's some of Jerry Goldsmith's best work. I just wish it was paired with a better film.

In my dream world, Nemesis would get the Rocky vs. Drago treatment.
 
Nah. RvD. Is terrible. Or that is to say, it is every bit as terrible as Rock IV. The problem is all the "fixes" really don't actually fix anything. They just replace old bad with new bad. The changes do, however, come across as self-indulgent and sentimental but completely miss the point of why the original became a generational icon. Rocky IV was very much a "right place, right time" film. It was the perfect panacea for a nation stumbling out of its post-Lake Placid hangover. The sheer mid-80s cringe of it is like the whole point. It's not unlike Pink Floyd's recent attempt to 'de-80s' Momentary Lapse of Reason. Sure, it may sound more sonically universal, but they completely sucked the heart and soul out of it.

And I have no idea how such a thing would work with Nemesis. Of course, we have no idea just how much footage is available, just what has been released as extras. And I've never been much impressed with what's there -- including the Data/Picard scene people seem to always rave about. So I don't know if there's enough 'good' material to warrant a traditional director's cut.

Because here's the thing: As much blame as people like to throw at Baird, he was never really the problem. The core issue with the film is that Berman decided to hire the biggest hanger-on hack of the early aughts to write the thing. The script is, in a word, awful. Easily the worst of the ten original films. (Remember, Insurrection's original script was actually quite good. As was TFF's.) The film is actually competently directed. * Now obviously Baird didn't want to be there, and it caused a lot of on-set issues. But I don't think they ultimately affected the end-product one way or the other.

*How's this for controversial opinions: Baird's direction of Nemesis is more competent and polished than anything Frakes has done for the franchise (Or ever, really.)
 
Remember, Insurrection's original script was actually quite good. As was TFF's.)
Do you have links of the originals? I would be curious to read TFF's. I recall Piller talking about Insurrection's but might read it too.
*How's this for controversial opinions: Baird's direction of Nemesis is more competent and polished than anything Frakes has done for the franchise (Or ever, really.)
I thought Clockstoppers was well done.
 
I watched this not long ago, perhaps it might shed some light?
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