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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

Pretty sure she's wearing a cover-up there intended to conceal her Lois Lane duds -- Corenswet was photographed wearing something similar earlier before the costume reveals.

But yeah, Brosnahan works all day long.

Speaking of Lois in costume/character, here's a somewhat bigger, somewhat better version of the shot of her and Perry I posted earlier:
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(Should I continue spoiler tagging images like this? Is anybody bothered if they're just posted in the thread?)
 
It's weird. There's multiple reasons why I shouldn't like the Superman outfit...and yet I do.

It gets high marks just for not having sculpted muscle detail alone. So happy.
It has enough detailing to fulfill the modern aesthetic, but not so much as to distract.
It has trunks. It's a bright red, blue, and yellow. It has a cloth cape. With the S on it, no less!

I dig it.

And Lois looks great. I know it's just Rachel in dark hair and a purple top but still. :)
 
Ask and ye shall receive, and it's a biggie: the first clear, full look at Corenswet in costume:
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I ... mostly like it. The piping is unnecessary, I don't love the way the cape attaches, and I'd prefer a more traditional "S." But I'm so glad Gunn gave modernists the finger with the trunks and the big yellow belt. The suit's fabric doesn't appear overly textured in this shot, either. I also really like how bright the colors are; I hope Gunn doesn't feel the inexplicable need to dull and darken them in post.

Also, if anyone cares (I don't, much), here's Mr. Terrific also. Looks nicely comics-accurate, at least:

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Still waiting for the really important reveal: Rachel Brosnahan as Lois.
They both look great. I think this is one of the few times where the costume actually looks better in the candid spy pictures than it does in the official. I really like the colors, and I like that it's got a nice texture to it, but they didn't overdo like some do, like with the basketball look that was in for a while

I can't say I'm a fan of the new Supersuit. Why do superhero costumes always have to be these elaborately textured things? He's Superman. His body is invulnerable, and his costume is something he wears under his street clothes. It makes no sense for it to be anything but thin, close-fitting fabric.
Because they want to do something more visually unique and interesting than just an old fashion cotton or spandex suit.
I'm also not a fan of the symbol barely being recognizable as an S. No doubt they're going for the conceit that it's a Kryptonian symbol that only coincidentally resembles an S, but I think this is taking it too far.
I like it, it's a lot more visually interesting than just a big plain S on his chest, which honestly would look kind of cheesy these days. It might have worked back in the '50s or '70s, but not in a modern big budget serious, or at least seriousish, movie.
 
But the conversation isn't about real vs. fictional cities -- it's about the size of the planet. Remember, the thing that started this was the mention of the DC/Marvel crossover comic which claimed Earth needed to be physically bigger to accommodate DC's fictional cities alongside the real ones. My point is simply that that's an idiotic notion, not only because urbanization covers only 3% of Earth's land surface currently, but because we keep adding more urban area at a rate of nearly 10,000 square kilometers per year. Going by the graph in the linked article, we probably have more than twice as much urbanized land on Earth now as we had 40 years ago, and the planet is still the same size it was then. The point is simply that DC's Earth doesn't need to be larger than Marvel's Earth to have more cities on it.

My JLA/Avengers comics are currently in storage, but from what I remember about the particular scene when the JLA arrives on Marvel Earth, they arrive where Metropolis should be and it's not there. Superman scans the area with his telescopic vision and determines that Marvel Earth is about 3% smaller than JLA Earth.
 
Eh, the suit looks like some sort of semi-bulky fireproof suit that just so happens to be a Superman outfit.

Lois appears interesting.
 
It's less a question of whether the trunks are iconic than whether iconic is valuable. "Iconic" is often just a fancy dress version of "traditional," and tradition is neither good nor bad but neutral.



Because they want to do something more visually unique and interesting than just an old fashion cotton or spandex suit.
I think I've read that costume texture can also make certain kinds of VFX manipulation easier/cheaper? I could be misremembering.
First, I disagree, because there's no reason to assume that every real-life city or town necessarily exists in the DC universe just because some of them do. Second, again, the point is not about comparing DC's Earth to ours, but to Marvel's. The premise that the only possible way for DC's Earth to have more cities on it than Marvel's Earth is to be a physically larger planet is simply idiotic. It could simply be a more urbanized planet, in the same way that 2024 Earth is at least twice as urbanized as 1984 Earth was, without the size of the planet needing to increase. Comparisons to the real world are beside the point, because we're talking about a comparison between two fictional worlds, both of which contain a mixture of real and fictitious elements, just to differing degrees.
Oh, I wasn't saying it's literally the only possible way. In stories with such loose relation to reality, there's always *some* other way. I'm just saying it's not simply a matter of "only 3% is urbanized" because most of that other 97% doesn't work as a location of a major city, for the various reasons I've mentioned. I guess it's different for you because you don't think of "there's already a real life town there" as a reason. Which is fair enough; we all have our own interpretations. But for me (and probably the JLA/Avengers folks), that's part of the operating premise of these superhero worlds: that the fake stuff exists alongside all the real stuff, not in place of any of it. And in that sense, the point of comparison is indeed the real world.
My JLA/Avengers comics are currently in storage, but from what I remember about the particular scene when the JLA arrives on Marvel Earth, they arrive where Metropolis should be and it's not there. Superman scans the area with his telescopic vision and determines that Marvel Earth is about 3% smaller than JLA Earth.
I'm pretty sure they didn't give a specific number. That would just cause the physics heads to show up and complain about how that would realistically affect gravity or whatever.
 
Because they want to do something more visually unique and interesting than just an old fashion cotton or spandex suit.

But that's just it -- when practically every superhero movie and TV show for the past couple of decades has insisted on making superhero costumes out of that weird rubbery material with basketball texture and gratuitous ribbing, it's not even remotely unique, just tired and predictable. At this point, going back to simplicity and practicality would be far more distinctive.

Detailed costumes are fine if there's a sensible, functional reason for the details, if it makes the costumes look more like practical action gear serving the heroes' needs. What Superman needs is something he can hide under his street clothes, and that's about it.


I like it, it's a lot more visually interesting than just a big plain S on his chest, which honestly would look kind of cheesy these days. It might have worked back in the '50s or '70s, but not in a modern big budget serious, or at least seriousish, movie.
I don't see why Superman's logo looks cheesy, any more than the Enterprise arrowhead insignia or a sports team's logo or the American flag. It looks the way it looks because it's his established symbol. The fact that it was designed a long time ago is exactly what makes it iconic. To me, it's a meaningful symbol standing for a character that inspires me, in the same way the Enterprise insignia is. In-universe, it's generally defined as a Kryptonian symbol meaning "hope," and that's basically how I see it (although in the Arrowverse it's called the El Mayarah and means "Stronger together").

Also, the "it looks cheesy" argument is the same reason people wanted to get rid of the trunks, even though they kept the equally "cheesy" cape, logo, and boots. Now the traditional trunks and belt are back, yet it's the logo that's too "cheesy"? I don't understand the cherrypicking.

Besides, this version of the logo is far too oversimplified to be visually interesting. It's like how Google and other companies keep streamlining their logos to the point that they're virtually abstract and don't look like anything anymore. This is little more than a pentagon with a diagonal line. It's almost generic.


But for me (and probably the JLA/Avengers folks), that's part of the operating premise of these superhero worlds: that the fake stuff exists alongside all the real stuff, not in place of any of it.

Except that was obviously not the case where The Atlas of the DC Universe was concerned, or that earlier comics panel that initially established the locations of Metropolis and Gotham. That map established that cities like Philadelphia and Baltimore existed, but that Dover did not because Metropolis was in its place.

And it's not the case when comics or other works of fiction establish imaginary foreign countries like Kahndaq or Latveria. The maps always show them as occupying territory that belongs to different countries in the real world, so that the real countries have to be smaller to make room for the fictitious ones. The usual premise is that the real-world places exist except where they don't, because they have to make room for the fictional places that are relevant to the story.
 
The dreaded fear of "cheesy" usually leads to overcorrection. That's how you get dun-colored Superman suits with no trunks that look like crap. It's not just a Cavill thing, either; Corenswet's suit also blows Tyler Hoechlin's Superman & Lois suit out of the water, for the same reasons.
 
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