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But...
Either or.
Either you are one hundred percent absolutely right, or they had grand canon shattering plans of coincidence and audacity but Millie had to jump ship and their upside down world reaffirming Machiavellian plot was cornholed.
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You might think that Dathan Palpatine was a waste of time as a human being, but billlions of space dollars were invested in his up bringing and education by his dad and big things were expected of him.
I suspect that was just misdirection to cover the fact that this was actually a sequel to Pyramids of Mars.
Shouldn't the memory TARDIS have had a memory Sutekh on her back?
The Mel fan club gets another member!
Most of us certainly wouldn’t forget that.
But she’s had Jack and Clara since then.
I've seen Bonnie's live shows multiple times. I've long been a fanclub member!
My dad bought the Trial Of A Timelord VHS boxset when I was a kid. I remember the first time watching it I was so happy when Mel turned up and suddenly we had a companion who wanted to be there.
Oh look something even more crap than this episode.
Actually, I'm rather thankful this series was at least better than all of Miracle Day. Man, that was a hard watch to sit through.
As for the Flux... Yeah, this was way better, though the Angels episode was almost grand with a great cliffhanger, the Sontaran one was half-great, and that's about it. Plus, Ruby Sunday trumps Dan & Yaz, and doesn't even break a sweat to do so.
But why didn't the Doctor question the snow occurance whenever Ruby's origin were in question?
Come to think of it, Boom's narrative crux in the climax makes no sense. If that PM made DNA testing compulsory and as such her match were there for centuries, why didn't the Ambulance retrieve that same data from then?
I think that RTD is simply looking at Who in a different way than he does those other shows. I don't think the Army of Ghosts RTD was the same writer that did Second Coming but remarkably he was. As such, i had little expectation that we'd get a more mature look at Who, quite the opposite.
In fact, I'm surprised how much of this series was experimental. Both of the examples you gave are indeed an evolution of Davies and not just him reacting to the Moffat era (which in a lot of ways, this episode seems to be doing exactly that - and not exactly successfully either). And yet, he has to make the Doctor a joyful, gleeful, optimistic character, even his own contradictory statements of doom and gloom, cause that's how he sees him, and always will.
At this point, the best, most positive development for me would be if he just wrote a multi-Doctor special. Which will never happen, because that's also not him.
I still think the Memory TARDIS is the afterlife of Fourteen's TARDIS, which died long after Fourteen, well, died? Anyway, I do think the Doctor being able to fascilitate a strong connection and basically allow it to exist might have originated here, sure.
I think @The Nth Doctor summed up my feelings about this. Every aspect I kinda loved and hated at the same time. That Ruby's mum wasn't special was both great and incredibly disappointing. The reset was obvious the moment everyone died which kinda sucked all the drama out of it.
Overall it was something of a mess, which doesn't mean I hated it, but after the great part 1 I was hoping RTD would stick the landing better than he did.
Ncuti and Millie were great, and Sian Clifford nailed her short but incredibly powerful scene (and I thought it was a great misdirect from RTD re the baby), loved Bonnie and the idea that Sutekh was hanging onto the Tardis this whole time didn't bother me unduly. The Doctor defeating Sutekh with a bungee cord was, as with every other element of the episode, at once fantastic and awful.
Ruby surprising her real mum and then everyone becoming best buds, and then them calling her real dad out of the blue feels really tone deaf by RTD (but does feed into his need to give characters what he thinks they need no matter how unrealistic- see Rose getting her dad and her Doctor, sort of).
And I have to say again, Yasmin Finney is incredibly wooden and it's unsurprising that she got next to nothing to do (though her playing on the tablet while everyone else, even Lenny, were blazing away at Sutekh was just hilarious)
A slight damp squib of a finale, though it didn't annoy me the way Last of the Timelords did. And I'm so over "Teh whole universe is at risk" endings, but I've enjoyed this season a lot and I don't think there's been a single episode I hated. Hell I even quite enjoyed Space Babies.
Overall it was something of a mess, which doesn't mean I hated it, but after the great part 1 I was hoping RTD would stick the landing better than he did.
Ncuti and Millie were great, and Sian Clifford nailed her short but incredibly powerful scene (and I thought it was a great misdirect from RTD re the baby), loved Bonnie and the idea that Sutekh was hanging onto the Tardis this whole time didn't bother me unduly. The Doctor defeating Sutekh with a bungee cord was, as with every other element of the episode, at once fantastic and awful.
Ruby surprising her real mum and then everyone becoming best buds, and then them calling her real dad out of the blue feels really tone deaf by RTD (but does feed into his need to give characters what he thinks they need no matter how unrealistic- see Rose getting her dad and her Doctor, sort of).
And I have to say again, Yasmin Finney is incredibly wooden and it's unsurprising that she got next to nothing to do (though her playing on the tablet while everyone else, even Lenny, were blazing away at Sutekh was just hilarious)
A slight damp squib of a finale, though it didn't annoy me the way Last of the Timelords did. And I'm so over "Teh whole universe is at risk" endings, but I've enjoyed this season a lot and I don't think there's been a single episode I hated. Hell I even quite enjoyed Space Babies.
The plot was a bit wobbly, but Ncuti Gatwa's performance pulled it over the finish line for me. I love him as the Doctor so much!
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Was it ever explained why Ruby has a Manchester accent? How long was she in that area before she was fostered in London? That seems a heck of a distance for social services to relocate a child.
The episode made little sense, but then that's nothing new. The main thing I ask is that it entertains and isn't egregiously bad like The Flux. This one seemed mostly like an MCU infinity Saga knock-off with the solution being a nod to Alien.
The episode made little sense, but then that's nothing new. The main thing I ask is that it entertains and isn't egregiously bad like The Flux. This one seemed mostly like an MCU infinity Saga knock-off with the solution being a nod to Alien.
We'll have to agree to disagree. But, no, doesn't make any sense. He literally couldn't see the mom's face. He tried and failed.
And, because it was so important to Ruby, the mom's face should've stood out from the background that she didn't care about.
The dad's name "Garnet".
A Garnet is a reddish brown gemstone.
A Garnet is a reddish brown gemstone.
I've genuinely been impressed with Bonnie Langford's acting. I wasn't one who hated Mel originally back in the 80s, but we really had no sense of her acting chops back then. She's been quite solid!
