Yeah, that’s the movie/TV/fiction thing where if you haven’t murdered any innocents lately, you’re redeemable. (See for ex. Fennic Shand over on The Mandalorian & The Book of Boba Fett, who had randomly murdered some passerby civilian on The Bad Batch to steal their speeder in some chase.)
What is your personal head canon?
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Be wary. Trek is wherever there is money at. Whether it is something serious or a Will Ferrell/Jack Black buddy comedy with Star Trek trappings.
Star Trek means different things to different people.
I agree but I think setting it as set apart creates a unusual barrier.
I think something can be Star Trek and not be for me.
If it isn’t for me, then it really doesn’t matter if I think it is Star Trek or not.
True.
Yup.Ok, so I just say, DISCO is Star Trek but not my Star Trek
Since this is a "headcanon" thread: Yes. For me DIS also takes place in an alternate continuity. Same as the Kelvin movies.
For me, purely due to the in-universe worldbuilding: I do not buy that no one tried to dig up the mushroom jump technology, to save the Voyager, or during the darkest days of the Dominion war. The Klingon war, Mudd, Spock's sister, the general aesthetics of everything also don't match up with TOS.
SNW then - which I dearly love - is a weird one. For me it's also in a separate continuity, where "a" version of Discovery has happened. And in TOS "a" version of SNW happened. But it's clearly too different to have happened in the DISCOverse. However - for me Nichelle Nichols is clearly also not the same Uhura as Celia Rose Gooding. And if Vulcan divorce is as easily possible, "Amok Time" makes no sense anymore, and I'm not sold on Paul Wesley or the whole "Ilyrian" thing either.
However I have transferred A LOT of Pike characterization & adventures to Jeffrey Hunter - so basically, for me, SNW takes place in both the DISCO & the Prime universe - EXCEPT the parts where it contradicts either!
So, all in all, SNW is - for me - actually the show with the shakiest "canon" status. It's also one of my favourites. So proof, that this doesn't really matter that much.
For me, purely due to the in-universe worldbuilding: I do not buy that no one tried to dig up the mushroom jump technology, to save the Voyager, or during the darkest days of the Dominion war. The Klingon war, Mudd, Spock's sister, the general aesthetics of everything also don't match up with TOS.
SNW then - which I dearly love - is a weird one. For me it's also in a separate continuity, where "a" version of Discovery has happened. And in TOS "a" version of SNW happened. But it's clearly too different to have happened in the DISCOverse. However - for me Nichelle Nichols is clearly also not the same Uhura as Celia Rose Gooding. And if Vulcan divorce is as easily possible, "Amok Time" makes no sense anymore, and I'm not sold on Paul Wesley or the whole "Ilyrian" thing either.
However I have transferred A LOT of Pike characterization & adventures to Jeffrey Hunter - so basically, for me, SNW takes place in both the DISCO & the Prime universe - EXCEPT the parts where it contradicts either!
So, all in all, SNW is - for me - actually the show with the shakiest "canon" status. It's also one of my favourites. So proof, that this doesn't really matter that much.
The Enterprise-A is actually the original Enterprise.
The Enterprise was set to be refit, but Starfleet also started work on the first new Enterprise subclass ship. As both neared the end, it became clear that the Enterprise refit wouldn't be ready to launch the class, so the two were flipped. The new build would become the Enterprise NCC-1701, while the Enterprise herself would be renamed to whatever name that new ship would've been.
However, the refit Enterprise would become a testbed for new technologies over the intervening years. Never actually having an official name though probably having an NX designation.
Then, when Starfleet gets caught over a barrel, not really having a ship to give Kirk and his band of rebels, they pulled the actual refit 1701 off of the testing grounds and gave it to Kirk, to become the 1701-A. Explaining why it was a mess. It was a testbed with tons of conflicting technologies that were never intended to work together over the long term.
So when the seemingly young Enterprise-A is retired at the end of the Battle at Khitomer, it is because it isn't young at all...
The Enterprise was set to be refit, but Starfleet also started work on the first new Enterprise subclass ship. As both neared the end, it became clear that the Enterprise refit wouldn't be ready to launch the class, so the two were flipped. The new build would become the Enterprise NCC-1701, while the Enterprise herself would be renamed to whatever name that new ship would've been.
However, the refit Enterprise would become a testbed for new technologies over the intervening years. Never actually having an official name though probably having an NX designation.
Then, when Starfleet gets caught over a barrel, not really having a ship to give Kirk and his band of rebels, they pulled the actual refit 1701 off of the testing grounds and gave it to Kirk, to become the 1701-A. Explaining why it was a mess. It was a testbed with tons of conflicting technologies that were never intended to work together over the long term.
So when the seemingly young Enterprise-A is retired at the end of the Battle at Khitomer, it is because it isn't young at all...
Makes sense to me.
Yeah, good point. I still can't see TOS Mudd viscously murdering Captain Kirk in a time loop over and over the way SNW Mudd did with Lorca, though.
I can.
For one, Mudd knew it was a time loop and that whatever he did could be reversed. Turned it into a game of sorts.
For another, a murderous Mudd reconciles nicely with whatever happened to poor Leo Walsh, whom Mudd was impersonating at the start of Mudd's Women.
I hope nobody thinks I killed Charles Forbin and took over his identity just for a bboard alias.
Everything from Tos to Enterprise, then nothing until Picard S3, and SNV.
Mudd in TOS was involved in sex trafficking and the drug trade. He hijacked the Enterprise.
I wouldn't call that a "lovable rogue".
Agreed. The actor may have portrayed him in that way, but the character most definitely wasn't.
And frankly, there really was nothing redeemable about him. So that makes him even less loveable.
Yeah, same here.
Indeed. He was a charmer but absolutely a murderous one to my reading. He was willing to destroy the whole Enterprise using Norman. That's not a nice person at all. If he thought he had to kill to get what he wanted he would.
Any changes to personality from Discovery to the Original Series I attribute to attempts at rehabilitation that were considered questionable, per the record.
Ah, the good old times.
Remember in "the cage" when Pike was contemplating becoming an Orion slave girl trader?
Now you say the same thing and get cancelled.
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