Miranda Class in the Dominion War.

[B.J.]

I recall the Jackill's entry for the Soyuz suggests the turrets on that design are "multi phasic" mega phasers, but without any context for that technobabble.

Personally, I don't like that idea. Wasn't the semi-official word on that (from Sternbach or someone else behind the scenes) was that those protrusions on the Soyuz were sensors of some kind?

 

[Unicron]

Memory Alpha suggests they're intended more to be sensor arrays, but it's not entirely clear. Mike Okuda and Greg Jein did the model embellishments for the Miranda model.

 

[Macintosh]

Rick Sternbach refers to these pointy vaguely-weapon-like things as SNAREs (Super-Narrow Angle Reconnaissance Emission Sensors) and believes they are essentially "sensor cannons" that can pull very high resolution sensor data from specific targets multiple lightyears away, but have a very narrow field of focus – whereas normal long-range sensors are relatively low resolution but have a wider field of focus. We see them on the underside of the Constellation-class and Freedom-class saucers, and sticking out the sides of Sisko's Saratoga.

 

[evilchumlee]

I sort of like the idea of them being a decidedly low-tech option, something akin to a TR-116... they could be ballistic turrets. Perhaps some kind of experiment in using ballistic weapons to combat some of the limitations of phasers, which probably ultimately failed to produce results given we don't see them in use.

 

[CaptChris42]

That's my theory anyway. IIRC, that model was built for Unification but never filmed, yet it appeared on the map of ships in the flotilla. It fits what did make it on-screen for that episode, albeit circumstantial.

The map of ships has the Trieste center-back, with a registry of NCC-37124. The model is NCC-3724. One of the tachyon lines closely crossed over and semi-obscured the "1" on the graphic, which may be why they didn't see it when they made the model.
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Close enough for government work, anyway.

Yeah, it may be easy to miss some digits without HD screencaps.

Talking of which - I'm pretty sure that grid display also shows sector numbers, like the ones in 'The Wounded' tactical map. Never been able to pick them out fully though.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

It is going to take me a while to catch up on this thread, but for now I want to say that I don't think the Trieste should be considered a Miranda variant. With Galaxy-class nacelles and windows, plus many other unusual details, I think it should be considered to have a hull design that merely looks similar.

If the windows are taken as the same size as those on the Galaxy-class, would the ship's hull even be the right size for a Miranda-class ship? (We know from the wolf-359 ships that that the Galaxy-class nacelles can be scaled, so that is not an indication of scale.)

 

[Dukhat]

It is going to take me a while to catch up on this thread, but for now I want to say that I don't think the Trieste should be considered a Miranda variant. With Galaxy-class nacelles and windows, plus many other unusual details, I think it should be considered to have a hull design that merely looks similar.

Agreed. Just like with Adam Buckner's Centaur model, Buckner never wanted people to see that saucer as an Excelsior saucer in either design or scale. It was intentionally supposed to be a much smaller generic saucer scaled to the Reliant bridge module on top. However...

If the windows are taken as the same size as those on the Galaxy-class, would the ship's hull even be the right size for a Miranda-class ship? (We know from the wolf-359 ships that that the Galaxy-class nacelles can be scaled, so that is not an indication of scale.)

So there are three ways to scale the ship: either by the Reliant bridge module, by the Enterprise-D nacelles, or by the windows (and obviously not by the runabout sensor pod pylons, lol.) And for the bridge, are we even sure that's a bridge module, or just a random part of the ship that resembles a bridge? It's not in the normal place that a bridge should be; it's at the rear of the ship near where the impulse deflector crystal would be. So it's not even certain that it's a bridge at all. And for the nacelles, just because they were taken from a 1/1400 Enterprise-D kit (and the smaller ones from a 1/2500 kit) doesn't mean that the whole ship should be scaled that way (i e. like the Nebula Melbourne kitbash from BoBW.) If it were, then it would be as big as a Galaxy class starship. Ironically, even though this probably had nothing whatsoever to do with the kitbash, Data states in "111001100" that the Trieste is too small and too slow to catch up with the stolen Ent-D. So in-universe, the ship being that large was probably not the intention. If we scale the ship to the windows, it looks pretty small anyway.

 

[evilchumlee]

So there are three ways to scale the ship: either by the Reliant bridge module, by the Enterprise-D nacelles, or by the windows (and obviously not by the runabout sensor pod pylons, lol.)

Windows seems to the most reliable, as most anything else could certainly have a variable size. The ship has Enterprise-D style nacelles, but there's no particular reason every nacelle design of that style has to be the same size. Windows, however, will almost universally be at least roughly similar in size.

 

[Dukhat]

Windows seems to the most reliable, as most anything else could certainly have a variable size. The ship has Enterprise-D style nacelles, but there's no particular reason every nacelle design of that style has to be the same size. Windows, however, will almost universally be at least roughly similar in size.

I agree with you. However, I doubt that whoever made this model was really thinking anything about scale. I'm assuming the ship is about the same size as the BoBW kitbashes...maybe even the same size as a standard Miranda.

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

I doubt that whoever made this model was really thinking anything about scale.

I agree, and that makes it interesting to find out what scale it ended up being

I think this ship could be a rare, and perhaps the only constructed, example of the ship's main control room not being at the top like a Bridge by definition arguably would be. The other would be the Dreadnought from the FJSTM apparently, although that is not clear from the schematics in the book.

The Constellation class has bridge domes on other parts of the ship that fill a function of being a raised of lowered room for some purpose, so having one in an odd location does not mean the Bridge is there.

If we did use the nacelles to scale the ship, there would be two possible known sizes, the 1/1400 scale and the 1/2500 scale. Then there would also be whatever size the windows imply. By windows I mean the TNG-style oval windows that were cut out or painted on, not the apparent windows in the back of the saucer that came with the kit. So to me there are three possible sizes, and I'd be amazed if any of them match the Miranda.

 

[evilchumlee]

I agree with you. However, I doubt that whoever made this model was really thinking anything about scale. I'm assuming the ship is about the same size as the BoBW kitbashes...maybe even the same size as a standard Miranda.

Oh they 100% were not thinking about scale. They rarely ever do.

But... just logically, a window will generally be more universal in size than any other component. Warp nacelles have no defined size that they must be, whereas windows should generally have a much less dramatic difference in size. We can't be EXACT... some windows are larger than others, but it's unlikely that a window would be like, 20 meters tall. On the flip, there really isn't any reason a warp nacelle could be in the style of a Galaxy-Class nacelle but have wildly different measurements.

I'm not one to try to do any sort of calculations based on sizes or anything, I rely much more on the good 'ol eyeball method. Going by windows, the Trieste is MUCH smaller than a Galaxy-Class.

Comparing directly, the Trieste is just... weird in the placement of it's windows, which would seem to be closer to "skylights" than windows on a wall. That being said though, looking at just the windows... I actually think the Trieste appears to be smaller than a Miranda. The Miranda seems to have two decks on the "edge" of the saucer, while (not really visible in this picture), Trieste only appears to be a single deck (judging by the windows, one deck that if there were windows on the side walls, would go floor-to-ceiling).

I think the "back end" similarities to a Miranda at that point are more circumstantial... the ship has a somewhat similar build style to a Miranda, but whereas a Miranda has at least 4 decks in the raised section to the back, Trieste has like 2 max.

I really think going by the windows, the Trieste's saucer is a single deck, with the windows positioned on the ceiling. It might eek out a second deck as the saucer slopes up towards the middle.

I think it's a fairly tiny ship.

 

[Dukhat]

There’s also the Voyager shuttlebays. The Reliant shuttlebays being covered up seems to indicate that the builder wanted the VOY parts as the actual bays. So it’s possible to use that as a scaling factor, although I have no idea how big or small that makes the ship.

 

[137th Gebirg]

This will piss people off more - if you look really close, the bridge module (or what looks like a bridge module) looks like it has a window (little gray rectangle) painted on the front of it!

 

[Dukhat]

This will piss people off more - if you look really close, the bridge module (or what looks like a bridge module) looks like it has a window (little gray rectangle) painted on the front of it!

Hey, at least the registry wasn't NCC-03724.