Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 - "Life, Itself"

[TimeIsAPredator]

As an episode it's a typical Discovery episode. Not much to get excited about.

The wrap up was probably about as good as you can make it though under the circumstances. Just a pity we got that weird dream hug instead of a real crew send off.

Overall for the season 1/10. Not enough Detmer

 

[firehawk12]

The events in Discovery are canon to us the viewer, just unknown to most people in Starfleet since they are so highly classified.

Oh sure, that too. Spock has an adoptive sister, even though he never mentions her in any of the shows we've seen him in.

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Makes me wonder though when Starfleet Academy will be set now. will it be set after the finale in the 32nd century or will it be after the epilogue of the finale in the 33rd century?

I can't imagine the actor who plays Tilly would want to wear old age makeup every day at least...

 

[Macgyver]

In retrospect, I was too hard on discovery. I did end up liking most of the episodes, and I regret that it's now over.

I really liked Culbert's quote of "there is a beauty in the mystery" - which I instantly reflected on. I think too many people need "all the answers" and it's nice to appreciate when something is beyond comprehension (well, that was my interpretation of the quote).

I also liked cook's comment of "Future is a scary word" - and I think a lot of people feel that way right now (especially with Discovery ending!) - I was a different person when this show started and i'll be a different person again in another seven years.

Finally, I liked that the progenitors didn't create the tech, and they didn't have all the answers. I think this was a good move on the part of the writers, I also like that the tech was left in a state where it could potentially be found again if the plot needs it.

If you asked me a year ago, I think I would have said Dr. Culbert is my favorite character, but Commander Rayner quickly won my admiration, and he is my favorite by far.

 

[Citiprime]

That’s kind of overstating things. I never got the sense that Kovich’s identity was crucial to the plot. It’s just something we find out in the end rather than the middle of a second act.

The problem is that once the Progenitor story collapsed into a "we gotta destroy it, because no one should have this power" macguffin, they used the "Daniels" reveal to give all of the running around for clues a memberberries meaning, connecting it to him and the Temporal Cold War.

And of all the storylines you could connect to, why in God's name would you want to revisit that mess? It didn't work on Enterprise to the point that they did the best they could to tie it off at the start of season 4.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The problem is that once the Progenitor story collapsed into a "we gotta destroy it, because no one should have this power" macguffin, they used the "Daniels" reveal to give all of the running around for clues a memberberries meaning, connecting it to him and the Temporal Cold War.

Again, that just sounds like overstating things. Daniel’s identity has more impact on the Memory Alpha than the plot.

Also, it’s funny to see people show concern about Matt Winston not being asked back. It’s like “why didnt they bring back (looks up name) Brian Brophy back???”

 

[thribs]

BTW, Tilly and the Academy are now protected by canon. Decades from now she’ll be their longest tenured instructor.

Why do they tie their hands like this?

Alternate future. Nothing to be concerned about.

 

[Yistaan]

Again, that just sounds like overstating things. Daniel’s identity has more impact on the Memory Alpha than the plot.

No he's right, I got more emotional satisfaction from the Daniels reveal than whatever the progenitor tech was (glorified Genesis device). And I HATED the Temporal Wars stuff in Enterprise.

Yes on paper it has more impact on Memory Alpha, but if the audience is reacting to the gimmick more strongly than the plot, there's something wrong with the plot.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

No he's right, I got more emotional satisfaction from the Daniels reveal than whatever the progenitor tech was (glorified Genesis device). And I HATED the Temporal Wars stuff in Enterprise.

Yes on paper it has more impact on Memory Alpha, but if the audience is reacting to the gimmick more strongly than the plot, there's something wrong with the plot.

Again, more overstating.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Goodbye, Captain. And thank you again.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to go try out this really cool pair of horn-rimmed eyeglasses."

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[fireproof78]

Also, it’s funny to see people show concern about Matt Winston not being asked back. It’s like “why didnt they bring back (looks up name) Brian Brophy back???”

Did you miss the ridiculous and over the top thread of how disrespectful Picard was to Brophy?

Because that was a thing.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Did you miss the ridiculous and over the top thread of how disrespectful Picard was to Brophy?

Because that was a thing.

Oh I didn’t miss that, in fact I think that was more entertaining than S1 of PIC! The pearl clutching!

 

[Yistaan]

Imagine if when "All Good Things" came out 30 years ago, the most exciting part of the episode was that Q revealed he was really Trelane...

 

[fireproof78]

You know what? Good. The epilogue reinforced to me how horribly misused Sonequa Martin-Green was in the first two seasons. By giving her that one year jump at the beginning of S3, they made Michael more likable for me by actually channeling SMG’s strengths as an actress, and highlighting why she was a great pick to lead a series.

It was sort of the same revelation I had with Chris Pine in BEYOND where they discarded his dudebro traits in the first two films and wrote him as a more believable captain.

What people often don't realize is that the Vulcan way and the suppression of emotions, especially traumatic ones, is one of the most unhealthy things a human can do. That Michael became overly emotional shows that process needs to be worked out, rather than suppressed. That people aspire to the Vulcan way without any understanding of the psychology continues to frustrate me beyond compare.

Same with Kirk. He wasn't a dudebro just because. He had real reasons why and he matured in to the role. That was the beauty of the Kelvin films, and is usually glossed over with flippant commentary.

Oh I didn’t miss that, in fact I think that was more entertaining than S1 of PIC! The pearl clutching!

A sad commentary on what is actually valued within a conversation. Who cares about the new characters? We need to hyperfixate on the supposed offense towards a fictional character and an actor we didn't even really remember until he was supposedly slighted.

People are crazay.

 

[Mr Awe]

The problem was I’d kind of guessed all along that the season would end with Burnham deciding that the progenitor tech was too powerful for anyone to possess. I knew we’d essentially end up with a LOTR, “throw the ring into the volcano Mr Frodooooohhh!”

A key problem with the season is that basically EVERYBODY guessed that it would be destroyed at the end. That whole angle was a letdown.

That said, I enjoyed hearing from the Progenitor the reasons for creating diversity and the rationale that they've got the diversity now so they don't need the tech.

So, a mixed bag for sure. But at least some excellent Star Trek themes in there!

 

[Captrek]

But what was probably worse was how they tried to treat everything going on as the most important thing in the universe.

Even Craft’s chance meeting with Zora is recast as a Red Directive-level galaxy-shaping event.

If they decide not to cast Mary Wiseman, she'll just take a leave of absence, or be off camera teaching different cadets.

I just mean tying their hands in terms of the stories they can tell. Can’t have us wondering whether Tilly or the Academy survives since it’s already been established that they do, at least for a few decades.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Imagine if when "All Good Things" came out 30 years ago, the most exciting part of the episode was that Q revealed he was really Trelane...

Again with the overstating.

 

[mattman8907]

Even Craft’s chance meeting with Zora is recast as a Red Directive-level galaxy-shaping event.

I just mean tying their hands in terms of the stories they can tell. Can’t have us wondering whether Tilly or the Academy survives since it’s already been established that they do, at least for a few decades.

makes me wonder if Daniels is trying to avoid the Federation’s war with Craft’s people.

 

[Yistaan]

Even Craft’s chance meeting with Zora is recast as a Red Directive-level galaxy-shaping event.

Zora: No Craft, forget your wife! Stay here on Discovery, I'll make it more pleasant.

(Zora materializes as a hot Orion woman and starts approaching Craft)

Craft: All right out with it! Our meeting was not a coincidence! Why are you here and what do you want with me?

Zora: I honestly don't know. I was ordered to wait 1,000 years to find you and the reasons weren't told to me because it's a classified Red Directive. Maybe you should tell me why you're so important, because I honestly have no idea.

Craft:

 

[eschaton]

I just mean tying their hands in terms of the stories they can tell. Can’t have us wondering whether Tilly or the Academy survives since it’s already been established that they do, at least for a few decades.

I never understand this argument. Does SNW not work because you know most of the characters are going to survive the show? Do historical dramas not work because you know the people in question have a fixed path already?

Compelling drama isn't about the endpoint, it's about the journey.

 

[Mr Awe]

BTW, Tilly and the Academy are now protected by canon. Decades from now she’ll be their longest tenured instructor.

Why do they tie their hands like this?

Yeah, I noticed that too. I think they should've just ended the episode and series after the wedding. Better all around. Leave the future wide open and really nothing special was accomplished in the epilogue. I think the whole Zora/Calypso connection came off very badly. I felt bad for Zora!