Agreed. It was an effectively creepy atmosphere, and you'd be hard pressed to find a better showcase of the bond between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
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Agreed. It was an effectively creepy atmosphere, and you'd be hard pressed to find a better showcase of the bond between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
Disco is so weird, it started off trying to be Game of Thrones Trek and ended as CW Trek.
Interview with Wilson Cruz. He confirms again that they always planned on bringing Culber back after his death in season 1, it had nothing to do with backlash/reaction. Though he wasn’t told how it was going to happen at the time (I wouldn’t be surprised if the writers themselves didn’t know yet)
I'd attribute that to the revolving door they seemingly placed in the writers' room until season 3.
Indeed. That seems to be the thing that is over looked with Discovery. The BTS drama didn't allow people to stay and learn. They moved on or were scrambling a bit. I enjoy Discovery very much, but it has problems, and the biggest ones are simply that it isn't consistent enough.
I think going to the 32nd century was a mistake. I think all the canon whining led to worse story telling for fear of Season 1 criticism, and it became so protective within itself that it had to go to TNG to find a story.
One other thing that seems to have been missed. When the season started we were told it was a swashbuckling clue hunt mystery with no existential threats to overcome, unlike before. And now we seem to be working on an all-out war with the Breen while preventing them acquiring the ultimate galactic life-altering weapon....
Big, dumb threat at the end of each season, essentially never spoken of again is the one thing every DIS and PIC season shared in common, regardless of very different tones otherwise.
I don't get why Kurtzman (i place the onus on him, since he's the only common thread between both shows all the way through) thinks we'd want the same stakes eight different times in a row. Plenty of Trek movies (notably TWOK) were successful with smaller, personal stakes.
What about stories with personal stakes, like saving the life of a beloved character? What about focusing on a smaller-scale crisis?
With just a bit of work upping the awe and wonder, this season of Discovery could havd been about improving the status quo with progenitor tech, rather than protecting the status quo against the Breen. And I tend to think plot arcs where things end up better work better thematically in Trek, since it's a progressive setting.
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Because Marvel.
That reminds me of when BEYOND was being developed, one of J.J. Abrams’ suggestions for what the plot would be was having the Earth in peril. Again. Thankfully Pegg and Jung took a different spin by establishing an outpost that visually represented the ideals of the Federation.
That was by reviewers who had only seen the first 4 episodes. There was no hint of that in those.
edit: well I guess there was in Season 4.
He didn't write some of those seasons though.
Which is what Pic S1 was - saving Soji - and her folks too. Until the synth cavalry was summoned.
Similarly Pic S3 could have been about protecting Jack from the various people he had done over in the past.....
I’m a year behind on the Delta Flyers podcast, and they’re at the Hirogen Holograms gone rogue episode, and there’s a breen hologram.
Robbie McNeil wonders what’s under the helmet, and Garrett Wang is like ‘they’re probably some gelatinous fluid”.
He was so very close lol
Robbie McNeil wonders what’s under the helmet, and Garrett Wang is like ‘they’re probably some gelatinous fluid”.
He was so very close lol
This is a good point to note that a lot of people think the post-Endgame issues of Marvel come down in part to stakes issues as well.
Sure, Marvel movies tended towards pretty high stakes. But lots of the early ones had comparably low stakes. This was particularly the case with first movies in franchises, like Iron Man, Ant Man, Spiderman: Homecoming, ect.
In contrast, Marvel has relied on blown-out stakes in recent years in nearly every movie - even in origin stories like Eternals. Not to mention the most successful movie in 2023 - GOTG 3 - was basically just about saving Rocket, with the rest of the heroism more or less incidental.
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I've heard it was on both, P+ as well. But that's just 2nd hand info.
You mean Homecoming, I think. Far From Home was the second one, and Mysterio was going to destroy London in it.
Yeah, you're right. That was an oops.
Though the progression across the three movies escalated perfectly - from personal-low level stakes, to a single city, to his entire reality.
True, true. I have issues with the plot of NWH, but the stakes work.
Unlike Discovery, where the stakes seem to lower every season. The first season would have destroyed the entire multiverse, the second all organic life in our universe, the third all spacefaring vessels in the galaxy, the fourth several key planets in the Federation, and the fifth just the Federation as a government will be conquered.
Unlike Discovery, where the stakes seem to lower every season. The first season would have destroyed the entire multiverse, the second all organic life in our universe, the third all spacefaring vessels in the galaxy, the fourth several key planets in the Federation, and the fifth just the Federation as a government will be conquered.
Yes, but what made money? That will be the question not how it progressed.
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