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[cooleddie74]

Hell, even hardcore fans anal about the number don't always agree.

Because there are actually 80.

"The Menagerie" was two parts.

[*Runs*]

 

[MakeshiftPython]

On another forum, a thread was started where folks would condense 26 episode seasons into 13 episode abridged seasons, which resulted in seasons that were bangers after bangers for TOS and TNG. Certainly helped the first two seasons of ENTERPRISE! Even little cheats like treating cliffhanger two-parters as “TV Movie of the Summer”.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hell, even hardcore fans anal about the number don't always agree.

Because there are actually 80.

"The Menagerie" was two parts.

[*Runs*]

 

[cooleddie74]

80.

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[The Wormhole]

Because there are actually 80.

Well, at least you put the zero in the right part of that number.

 

[cooleddie74]

NCC-080.

Dammit, J.J. Abrams.

 

[Farscape One]

"...but about 30 good ones."

There's a lot more than 30 good ones. A hell of a lot more.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There's a lot more than 30 good ones. A hell of a lot more.

Futurama

 

[fireproof78]

Does the number of episodes really matter?

My reaction when people talk episode counts:

 

[Farscape One]

Futurama

Never seen it. I've heard it's good, though.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Never seen it. I've heard it's good, though.

They do an entire episode with the TOS cast, it's where the quote is from.

 

[Farscape One]

They do an entire episode with the TOS cast, it's were the quote is from.

Ah, okay. Didn't know about that joke.

 

[Lord Garth]

Fuck it. I've got nothing else to do. I'm crazy for doing this, but I'm going to do it anyway. In production order. All IMO.

TOS Season 1 & Pilots
"The Cage" --> Excellent
"Where No Man Has Gone Before" --> Excellent
"The Corbomite Maneuver" --> Good
"Mudd's Women" --> Eh
"The Enemy Within" --> Excellent
"The Man Trap" --> Good
"The Naked Time" --> Excellent
"Charlie X" --> Good
"Balance of Terror" --> Excellent
"What Are Little Girls Made Of?" --> Good
"Dagger of the Mind" --> Good
"Miri" --> Eh
"The Conscience of the King" --> Good
"The Galileo Seven" --> Great
"Court Martial" --> Excellent
"The Menagerie, Part I" --> Great (the TOS parts are Good, "The Cage" parts are Excellent)
"The Menagerie, Part II" --> Great (see above)
"Shore Leave" --> Great
"The Squire of Gothos" --> Good
"Arena" --> Good
"The Alternative Factor" --> Poor
"Tomorrow Is Yesterday" --> Excellent
"The Return of the Archons" --> Okay
"A Taste of Armageddon" --> Excellent (this one's underrated)
"Space Seed" --> Good (this one's overrated)
"This Side of Paradise" --> Excellent
"The Devil in the Dark" --> Good
"Errand of Mercy" --> Good
"The City on the Edge of Forever" --> Excellent
"Operation -- Annihilate!" --> Okay

Excellent: 10
Great: 4
Good: 11
Okay: 2
Eh: 2
Poor: 1
Bad: 0
Guilty Pleasure: 0

TOS Season 2
"Catspaw" --> Okay
"Metamorphosis" --> Good
"Friday's Child" --> Okay
"Who Mourns for Adonais?" --> Good
"Amok Time" --> Excellent
"The Doomsday Machine" --> Excellent
"Wolf In the Fold" --> Good
"The Changeling" --> Good
"The Apple" --> Okay
"Mirror, Mirror" --> Excellent
"The Deadly Years" --> Okay
"I, Mudd" --> Great
"The Trouble With Tribbles" --> Excellent
"Bread and Circuses" --> Good
"Journey to Babel" --> Great
"A Private Little War" --> Great (another underrated episode)
"The Gamesters of Triskelion" --> Guilty Pleasure (people need to lighten up sometimes!)
"Obsession" --> Great
"The Immunity Syndrome" --> Good
"A Piece of the Action" --> Great
"By Any Other Name" --> Great
"Return to Tomorrow" --> Excellent
"Patterns of Force" --> Good
"The Ultimate Computer" --> Excellent
"The Omega Glory" --> Guilty Pleasure (What can I say? I liked it!)
"Assignment: Earth" --> Good

Excellent: 6
Great: 6
Good: 8
Okay: 4
Eh: 0
Poor: 0
Bad: 0
Guilty Pleasure: 2

TOS Season 3
"Spectre of the Gun" --> Good
"Elaan of Troyius" --> Okay
"The Paradise Syndrome" --> Good
"The Enterprise Incident" --> Excellent
"And the Children Shall Lead" --> Bad
"Spock's Brain" --> Guilty Pleasure
"Is There In Truth No Beauty?" --> Great (criminally underrated)
"The Empath" --> Excellent (also criminally underrated)
"The Tholian Web" --> Excellent
"For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" --> Excellent (Controversial Opinion?)
"Day of the Dove" --> Excellent
"Plato's Stepchildren" --> Eh (just because I got what they were trying to do, doesn't mean I enjoyed it)
"Wink of an Eye" --> Good
"That Which Survives" --> Good (would've been better if Spock wasn't a parody of himself)
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" --> Okay
"Whom Gods Destroy" --> Okay (yes, I know I called the episode I got my username from just "okay")
"The Mark of Gideon" --> Okay
"The Lights of Zetar" --> Eh
"The Cloud Minders" --> Great (people give this one too much shit)
"The Way to Eden" --> Guilty Pleasure
"Requiem for Methuselah" --> Good
"The Savage Curtain" --> Okay (would've been "eh" but Lincoln is my favorite President)
"All Our Yesterdays" --> Good
"Turnabout Intruder" --> Guilty Pleasure (watch while pretending Lester-As-Kirk is Donald Trump!)

Excellent: 5
Great: 2
Good: 6
Okay: 5
Eh: 2
Poor: 0
Bad: 1
Guilty Pleasure: 3

So, I consider 58 out of 80 episodes to be "good" or better. Looking at the calculator, that's 72.5% of the series.

That killed some time I needed to kill. Thanks!

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about the joke. But I felt like doing it anyway.

 

[Mr Awe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about the joke. But I felt like doing it anyway.

That was fun reading through that. Thanks!

I'd largely agree. I might've been a bit tougher on some S3 episodes. I don't think high marks for For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky is controversial. That's one of the better episodes of S3. Although, I'd put it one notch below Excellent. It was Very Good.

I would say your grade for The Empath is more controversial!

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Empath is great. Very theatrical

 

[Firebird]

Fuck it. I've got nothing else to do. I'm crazy for doing this, but I'm going to do it anyway. In production order. All IMO.

TOS Season 1 & Pilots
"The Cage" --> Excellent
"Where No Man Has Gone Before" --> Excellent
"The Corbomite Maneuver" --> Good
"Mudd's Women" --> Eh
"The Enemy Within" --> Excellent
"The Man Trap" --> Good
"The Naked Time" --> Excellent
"Charlie X" --> Good
"Balance of Terror" --> Excellent
"What Are Little Girls Made Of?" --> Good
"Dagger of the Mind" --> Good
"Miri" --> Eh
"The Conscience of the King" --> Good
"The Galileo Seven" --> Great
"Court Martial" --> Excellent
"The Menagerie, Part I" --> Great (the TOS parts are Good, "The Cage" parts are Excellent)
"The Menagerie, Part II" --> Great (see above)
"Shore Leave" --> Great
"The Squire of Gothos" --> Good
"Arena" --> Good
"The Alternative Factor" --> Poor
"Tomorrow Is Yesterday" --> Excellent
"The Return of the Archons" --> Okay
"A Taste of Armageddon" --> Excellent (this one's underrated)
"Space Seed" --> Good (this one's overrated)
"This Side of Paradise" --> Excellent
"The Devil in the Dark" --> Good
"Errand of Mercy" --> Good
"The City on the Edge of Forever" --> Excellent
"Operation -- Annihilate!" --> Okay

Excellent: 10
Great: 4
Good: 11
Okay: 2
Eh: 2
Poor: 1
Bad: 0
Guilty Pleasure: 0

TOS Season 2
"Catspaw" --> Okay
"Metamorphosis" --> Good
"Friday's Child" --> Okay
"Who Mourns for Adonais?" --> Good
"Amok Time" --> Excellent
"The Doomsday Machine" --> Excellent
"Wolf In the Fold" --> Good
"The Changeling" --> Good
"The Apple" --> Okay
"Mirror, Mirror" --> Excellent
"The Deadly Years" --> Okay
"I, Mudd" --> Great
"The Trouble With Tribbles" --> Excellent
"Bread and Circuses" --> Good
"Journey to Babel" --> Great
"A Private Little War" --> Great (another underrated episode)
"The Gamesters of Triskelion" --> Guilty Pleasure (people need to lighten up sometimes!)
"Obsession" --> Great
"The Immunity Syndrome" --> Good
"A Piece of the Action" --> Great
"By Any Other Name" --> Great
"Return to Tomorrow" --> Excellent
"Patterns of Force" --> Good
"The Ultimate Computer" --> Excellent
"The Omega Glory" --> Guilty Pleasure (What can I say? I liked it!)
"Assignment: Earth" --> Good

Excellent: 6
Great: 6
Good: 8
Okay: 4
Eh: 0
Poor: 0
Bad: 0
Guilty Pleasure: 2

TOS Season 3
"Spectre of the Gun" --> Good
"Elaan of Troyius" --> Okay
"The Paradise Syndrome" --> Good
"The Enterprise Incident" --> Excellent
"And the Children Shall Lead" --> Bad
"Spock's Brain" --> Guilty Pleasure
"Is There In Truth No Beauty?" --> Great (criminally underrated)
"The Empath" --> Excellent (also criminally underrated)
"The Tholian Web" --> Excellent
"For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" --> Excellent (Controversial Opinion?)
"Day of the Dove" --> Excellent
"Plato's Stepchildren" --> Eh (just because I got what they were trying to do, doesn't mean I enjoyed it)
"Wink of an Eye" --> Good
"That Which Survives" --> Good (would've been better if Spock wasn't a parody of himself)
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" --> Okay
"Whom Gods Destroy" --> Okay (yes, I know I called the episode I got my username from just "okay")
"The Mark of Gideon" --> Okay
"The Lights of Zetar" --> Eh
"The Cloud Minders" --> Great (people give this one too much shit)
"The Way to Eden" --> Guilty Pleasure
"Requiem for Methuselah" --> Good
"The Savage Curtain" --> Okay (would've been "eh" but Lincoln is my favorite President)
"All Our Yesterdays" --> Good
"Turnabout Intruder" --> Guilty Pleasure (watch while pretending Lester-As-Kirk is Donald Trump!)

Excellent: 5
Great: 2
Good: 6
Okay: 5
Eh: 2
Poor: 0
Bad: 1
Guilty Pleasure: 3

So, I consider 58 out of 80 episodes to be "good" or better. Looking at the calculator, that's 72.5% of the series.

That killed some time I needed to kill. Thanks!

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about the joke. But I felt like doing it anyway.

Funny you've put this together right as I'm about to do my god-knows-how-manyeth TOS rewatch for the holiday weekend.

 

[cooleddie74]

"The Empath" may be the most underrated episode in the run of TOS.

 

[Lord Garth]

Funny you've put this together right as I'm about to do my god-knows-how-manyeth TOS rewatch for the holiday weekend.

I like this idea. If I take out "The Cage", I have 20 episodes that I consider "excellent", so I just unintentionally put together my own Top 20 List. I think they I can break that up over the course of a week.

1. "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
2. "The Enemy Within"
3. "The Naked Time"
4. "Balance of Terror"
5. "Court Martial"
6. "Tomorrow Is Yesterday"
7. "A Taste of Armageddon"
8. "This Side of Paradise"
9. "The City on the Edge of Forever"
10. "Amok Time"
11. "The Doomsday Machine"
12. "Mirror, Mirror"
13. "The Trouble With Tribbles"
14. "Return to Tomorrow"
15. "The Ultimate Computer"
16. "The Enterprise Incident"
17. "The Empath"
18. "The Tholian Web"
19. "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"
20. "Day of the Dove"

 

[Cyrus]

Fuck it. I've got nothing else to do. I'm crazy for doing this, but I'm going to do it anyway. In production order. All IMO.

I thought you were going to do all the 800+ episodes (yeah, I am not counting the cartoons) but you just did TOS. but I mainly agree with your ratings.

 

[Lord Garth]

I thought you were going to do all the 800+ episodes (yeah, I am not counting the cartoons) but you just did TOS. but I mainly agree with your ratings.

Can't do it! Haven't seen everything yet. Some SNW, a lot of LD (have to include the cartoons if we're really going to do this!), and probably some stray episodes of TAS. There's bound to be something in TAS where I'll be like, "I can't believe I haven't seen this one! How did it slip through the cracks?!" And with some of what I have seen, I don't remember all of the series clearly because it's been a while, so it wouldn't be fair: like DS9.

Somewhere else, somewhen else, I'll do one of these for TNG, but that's it.