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Discovery focusing on a main mc/smaller crew could've worked well on a smaller ship

That's the important difference, those are the unknowns. They are many and they are nameless. Or at least, I don't usually remember their names (except for Jae).
Over the course of the series, besides Wesley and Jae the helm was also staffed by Torres, O'Brien, Clancy, McKnight, Allenby, Ro, Gates, Rager. And that's just off the top of my head without consulting Memory Alpha.
People wanted more O'Brien and the writers apparently realised this, giving him an appropriate amount of extra screen time for a guy who spends most of his day out of sight in the transporter room. And so everyone was happy.
Ah, the O'Brien Myth. There are only two episodes of TNG where O'Brien had any significant story material besides manning the transporter, Data's Day and The Wounded, both of which are from the fourth season. Otherwise, O'Brien was basically at the same level as Detmer, Owo and the others throughout TNG, save he was actually listed as a Guest Star as opposed to only being a Co-Star as Disco's bridge crew are. Indeed, Colm Meaney's status as a Guest Star is why he eventually got his own episodes. As long as Disco's bridge officers are Co-Stars, the show is not required to do any more with them than it already has.
 
Ironic, since with the exception of DS9 and now SNW, no Trek series has ever been a true ensemble. I especially laugh at the "Give Detmer more to do" crowd. With the possible exception of Tom Paris, helms people have tended to get the least development in any Trek series. Hell, TNG even realized they didn't need a speaking character at the helm after Wesley left. And one could say Enterprise never had one. ;)
The difference between an extra that says nothing and an extra that has even a single line is multiple pay grades.
 
Ah, the O'Brien Myth. There are only two episodes of TNG where O'Brien had any significant story material besides manning the transporter, Data's Day and The Wounded, both of which are from the fourth season. Otherwise, O'Brien was basically at the same level as Detmer, Owo and the others throughout TNG, save he was actually listed as a Guest Star as opposed to only being a Co-Star as Disco's bridge crew are. Indeed, Colm Meaney's status as a Guest Star is why he eventually got his own episodes. As long as Disco's bridge officers are Co-Stars, the show is not required to do any more with them than it already has.
I would guess Rom (Max Grodenchik) and Leeta (Chase Masterson) have about the same number of appearances on DS9 that O'Brien had on TNG, and probably were featured "with significant story material" in a similar manner. And yet, just as with O'Brien, the actors and writers were able to create something that was memorable and distinctive where you understood those characters.

I would argue it's not the number of appearances or even how significant the screentime is, since you can make memorable side-characters that stand out and the audience gets a feel for even when they're not featured or say a word (e.g., Morn). Even with TOS, none of the main cast beyond the Freudian Trio of Kirk, Spock and McCoy get featured that much. But you get a feel for Scotty in something as simple as his reaction to the Klingons defaming the Enterprise in "The Trouble With Tribbles" or in Chekhov's misappropriating Russian history.

I don't get that with Owo or Detmer at all. Other than knowing Detmer was involved in an accident, has cybernetics in her head, and is a great helm officer, I could not tell you anything else distinctive about her as a person or personality. They don't really give them, or any of the supporting cast on the level of the Detmers and Owos, those small, memorable moments that defines them as people beyond their function.

I mean who has the better characterization ... Janice Rand in TOS or Detmer in DSC? Which show takes a background character and makes them more memorable, where you get a feel for them as a person, with the limited amount of time they get featured?

Now, I will fully stipulate that Discovery is not intended to function that way. It's not an ensemble. It's focused on Michael. I think the bigger argument is whether it should have functioned under that dynamic.
 
Over the course of the series, besides Wesley and Jae the helm was also staffed by Torres, O'Brien, Clancy, McKnight, Allenby, Ro, Gates, Rager. And that's just off the top of my head without consulting Memory Alpha.
You're much better at remembering names than I am then, and I've only just finished rewatching the series!

I do remember that O'Brien got enough to do, for a guy who rarely had a reason to be on screen. He saved Pulaski from old age, he played cello, he went to Worf's Rite of Ascension, he showed Barclay his spider, he did Geordi's job in Best of Both Worlds, he joined poker night, he got possessed and took hostages in 10 Forward. The guy interacted with the main cast like a person and I was satisfied with what I got.

For Detmer and Owo on the other hand, it really does feel like the show has done exactly what was required and no more. The show is all about Burnham so there was no real need to spend extra effort and money fleshing out the people she sits next to and talks to every day. The people in the same scene as her. When production realities impact creative choices like this it can make scenes feel unnatural.
 
I would guess Rom (Max Grodenchik) and Leeta (Chase Masterson) have about the same number of appearances on DS9 that O'Brien had on TNG,
Fewer, actually. O'Brien had 52 appearances in TNG, Rom had 36 on DS9, Leeta only 16
he did Geordi's job in Best of Both Worlds,
Wut? In TBOBW we see O'Brien on the transporters and later he's part of the team in Data's lab trying to reach Picard through Locutus, a team which in addition to he and Data also includes Crusher and Deanna. How is that "Geordi's job"?
 
Wut? In TBOBW we see O'Brien on the transporters and later he's part of the team in Data's lab trying to reach Picard through Locutus, a team which in addition to he and Data also includes Crusher and Deanna. How is that "Geordi's job"?
He was written into those scenes because LeVar Burton was in surgery and they needed someone to say his lines.
 
By the way, could it be that the concept and possibly the main character of Star Trek Resurgence is loosely based on Brian Fuller's early ideas for Discovery?

Can't help myself entertaining this thought, because of how much the heroes journey of the main character resembles Burnham's and also how the captain in this game turns out to be an alien infiltrator similar to Lorca, because of his possession by the Tkon.

There was also talk about about the show being about an historic event in the Star Trek universe, that was hinted at before, but we never got to see.

Discovery originally may have been supposed to be about the first discovery of archaeological remains of the Tkon Empire and the implications, during the 23rd century.

I think it's possible that the producers of the game simply changed parts of the story for being set in the 24th century ;)
 
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By the way, could it be that the concept and possibly the main character of Star Trek Resurgence is loosely based on Brian Fuller's early ideas for Discovery?

Can't help myself entertaining this thought, because of how much the heroes journey of the main character resembles Burnham's and also how the captain in this game turns out to be an alien infiltrator similar to Lorca, because of his possession by the Tkon.

There was also talk about about the show being about an historic event in the Star Trek universe, that was hinted at before, but we never got to see.

Discovery originally may have been supposed to be about the first discovery of archaeological remains of the Tkon Empire and the implications, during the 23rd century.

I think it's possible that the producers of the game simply changed parts of the story for being set in the 24th century ;)
The historic incident was the Klingon war, which was part of the story from the get-go but in Fuller's version, things got extra insane when they eject Discovery's saucer section and disguise her physically as a D7 Battlecruiser for undercover stuff in Klingon space.
 
Ironic, since with the exception of DS9 and now SNW, no Trek series has ever been a true ensemble. I especially laugh at the "Give Detmer more to do" crowd. With the possible exception of Tom Paris, helms people have tended to get the least development in any Trek series. Hell, TNG even realized they didn't need a speaking character at the helm after Wesley left. And one could say Enterprise never had one. ;)

That is a good point: they've never been great with the ensembles outside of those 2

My overall point is more that they could've tried something newer with the set up rather than do the same 'crew of a big capitol starship' they've always done. Only DS9 broke that mold
 
Discovery was the first new Trek series in forever, so I think that people definitely wanted to see a big starship again. There are lots of shows about a few heroes on a smaller ship (or a big empty ship), but there aren't many Star Treks.

That said, there's zero reason why a Star Trek series with a smaller crew can't work, Prodigy's already proved that it can. Though if that crew is going around doing Star Trek business, then the main difference between 5 main cast members on a small ship vs 7 main cast on a big ship is that there are no hallways to run down and they have to restock on redshirts more often.
 
Maybe like Captain Rios and the LA Sirena?
Oh, duh, that would've been a more obvious example. Completely slipped my mind.

Yeah, it's been demonstrated a couple of times now that a Trek series can work with a smaller crew on a small ship. Though Picard barely scratched the surface of what you could do with the concept so there's plenty of room for another show to follow in its footsteps.
 
Ya I enjoyed Rios and the crew there. I would've liked if they'd continued in some capacity but Picard at least proved a small crew and ship is doable

Makes me also wonder about the reverse: seeing a star wars series on a big capitol ship instead of smaller Millennium Falcon-sized ones
 
IMHO, the issue with DIS isn't that it's the Michael Burnham show - it's that it never quite commits fully to her, still trying to find excuses to use the core cast, even when it's not super sensical.

For example, look at Season 5 as it's developed. Really, the only characters on Discovery who are essential to the season besides Michael are Rayner and Book. Both of them are defined in large part by their relationships with both Michael (the protagonist) and Moll and La'k (the antagonists).

No one else has been given much of anything to do. Going through the cast:
  • Culber perhaps got the best turn this season. His status as a doctor allows him to be plot-relevant in most episodes, and he got an interesting turn in Jinaal, which led to some sort of existential/spiritual awakening. The season teased some stuff with conversations with Book, but this went nowhere and vanished.
  • Saru got put on a bus in his role as Federation ambassador and his engagement to T'Rina after the end of Episode 2. He got a fraction of an arc about relationship drama, but promptly vanished from the show (though he'll be back).
  • Stamets had a tease about some sort of existential crisis with the spore drive being shelved, which went nowhere. He got one focus episode in Face the Strange, but otherwise he's been largely absent unless they cut to engineering for like 30 seconds of exposition.
  • Tilly got a feature in Whistlespeak, but that role was interchangeable - anyone could have done it. Other than that, and some initial setup in the first two episodes, she really hasn't had a role this season other than to spit out exposition on the bridge.
  • Adira got a completely unneeded/drama-free breakup scene with Gray in Jinaal (it's obvious he was put on a bus last season) and is otherwise barely above extra level.
  • Going past the core cast, I could argue that the limited re-appearances this season of characters like T'Rina, Rillak, Vance, and Kovich has been much more perfunctory than in Seasons 3 and 4. They're present for a scene or two, and sometimes drop exposition, but nothing about them being there is integral (so far) to either the season's plot or Michael's journey as a character.
In the end, one can easily re-imagine the entire season, stripping all of this out. What if, after Episode 1, Michael was put on something more like a runabout with Book and Rayner, and they did the whole season as a trio? Most everything could work largely the same way. Jinaal could have possessed Book, with Michael and Rayner dealing with the puzzle in the valley. Book could have been the one trapped in the chamber with no air in Whistlespeak. You can't Face the Strange to work, because that requires the use of Discovery as a set (and the crew to be there) but otherwise, most of the season would work better stripped down to only three characters.

This is, IMHO, the core problem. Most of the cast of the show have no real reason to be on the show any longer, as the story barely involves them past their status as members of the crew - and most of them aren't even bridge crew. Hence the show keeps on having to come up with "excuses" to rope them in, scenes which, if they were in a novel, an editor would tell you to cut and/or simplify, because they don't add anything to the narrative.
 
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