What is your personal head canon?
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I think the bomb in Qo'noS was sent over to Praxis at some point between 2257 and 2293. And then it exploded eventually.
Since Section 31 takes place during the Lost Era, I hope they reference this and it turns out to be what actually happens in Canon. Probably not, but I can hope.
The reason the Sovereign-class and other late 24th century starship designs went back to having long nacelles is because Starfleet developed a system to actively move the warp coils within the nacelles, rather than moving the entire nacelle as with the Intrepid-class, which was a stop-gap design never intended to see widespread adoption with future starship classes. This allows for coil density variations and custom arrangements. and therefore subspace field densities, to change during flight, enabling starships to access "higher gears", which is why starship speeds increased at such a high rate in the last quarter of the 24th century*. Those long post-Galaxy nacelles actually behave like multiple small nacelles that reconfigure on the fly.
*Between the mid-22nd century and mid-24th century, Starfleet warp capabilities increased by approximately a factor of four every century:
NX-01 top speed: warp 5 (TOS scale) = 125c
NCC-1701 top speed: warp 8 (TOS scale) = 512c
NCC-1701-D top speed: warp 9.6 (TNG scale) = 2018c
Then somehow Starfleet crams a century of warp improvements in between 2370 and 2400:
NCC-80212-A top speed: warp 9.99 (TNG scale) = 7912c
*Between the mid-22nd century and mid-24th century, Starfleet warp capabilities increased by approximately a factor of four every century:
NX-01 top speed: warp 5 (TOS scale) = 125c
NCC-1701 top speed: warp 8 (TOS scale) = 512c
NCC-1701-D top speed: warp 9.6 (TNG scale) = 2018c
Then somehow Starfleet crams a century of warp improvements in between 2370 and 2400:
NCC-80212-A top speed: warp 9.99 (TNG scale) = 7912c
I don't have that same idea but I have been thinking of a TNG universe where in Season 1 the ships were only up to NCC-10000 or so and the Stargazer did actually have the NCC-7100 registry and was actually a more contemporary ship to the Enterprise-D. I was thinking it might have been cool if they'd planned for the Stargazer and her class to have guested more in the series instead of reusing the Excelsiors and Miranda class or Oberth and they always planned to make a new model. The NCC-2983 makes more sense for the Constitution class model they were originally going to use but if they'd set on using the NCC-7100 design from the beginning Stargazer might have had a higher number.
I've got an answer for this. After Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant, Starfleet wanted to take steps to make sure it would never take 75 years to get home again if a similar situation happened in the future. If the Enterprise-G is several times faster than the Enterprise-D and Voyager, then maybe it only takes 20 or 25 years to get home. Still not ideal, but better than before.
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Is the "Warp 5 engine" of the NX-01 the same as being at Warp 5 in the TNG era? In other words is Enterprise supposed to be consistent with the rest of the TNG/Berman era's terminology.
Or does warp 5 by the NX-01 in 2151 not correspond to warp 5 aboard the Enterprise-D?
Or is it like the various uniform variations and rationales, and there's some weird era that encompasses TOS where someone at Starfleet Command tried to institute the equivalent of a new measurement system across the Federation, and for whatever reason they reverted to the scale they originally used?
Or does warp 5 by the NX-01 in 2151 not correspond to warp 5 aboard the Enterprise-D?
Or is it like the various uniform variations and rationales, and there's some weird era that encompasses TOS where someone at Starfleet Command tried to institute the equivalent of a new measurement system across the Federation, and for whatever reason they reverted to the scale they originally used?
Warp 5 in 2151 was not the same as Warp 5 in the TNG Era. Much slower. Janeway even says 24th century ships are twice as fast as those of Kirk's era so you can imagine how much the warp scale changed between Archer's timeframe and, say, Season 3 of PIC.
There are two different warp scales in Star Trek because Gene Roddenberry insisted on a recalibration during preproduction of TNG. Apparently he didn't like warp factors getting arbitrarily high. The byproduct of this is that now we just have an arbitrary number of decimal places instead...
And we've never been given an in-universe explanation for this change.Before TNG, warp speeds in c are a simple cube of the warp factor – warp 1 is 1c, warp 2 is 8c, warp 3 is 27c, warp 4 is 64c, warp 5 is 125c and so on.
Starting with TNG, warp speeds in c are derived from a complex exponential formula* that sets 10 as infinite speed. Warp 5 on the TOS scale is equivalent to warp 4.3 on the TNG scale. Warp 8 on the TOS scale (the original 1701's highest sustainable cruise speed, 512c) is equivalent to warp 6.5 on the TNG scale. This is why starships spend so much time travelling at warp-9-point-something.
*Originally a hand-drawn graph with only approximate values. There have been many attempts to figure out a real equation that aligns with the speeds we are given. This is the most accurate one I know of.
I've seen it said many times that the TMP refit makes much more sense as a refit of a Phase II-style ship than a TOS-style ship.
I generally go with the idea that they:
- Took the entire TOS Enterprise apart.
- Put the frame back together with some additions. Essentially making the ship look totally gutted at this stage.
- Melted down (or otherwise recycled) all the raw material from the TOS Enterprise to use for the TMP Enterprise.
- Built all the walls, floors, ceilings, doors, whatever else using those raw materials. They got additional raw material wherever was needed.
- Hardware and equipment was added to the rebuilt interiors.
- Then the finishing touches were added and the ship was furnished.
I'm basing all this off of YouTube Videos I've seen of people restoring cars, and a seminar I watched about the Truman Restoration of the White House.
So, in my head-canon, the TMP Enterprise does actually work as a refit to the TOS Enterprise. Having the Enterprise be 25 years old really helps, because it explains why they'd do such an extensive refit.
I'd also say that I think because of the raw materials -- it makes more sense to recycle them than to discard them -- the Enterprise Refit is more of its original ship than the Enterprise-D Rebuild.
There are two different warp scales in Star Trek because Gene Roddenberry insisted on a recalibration during preproduction of TNG. Apparently he didn't like warp factors getting arbitrarily high. The byproduct of this is that now we just have an arbitrary number of decimal places instead...
He seriously underestimated the urge of one-upmanship
And I agree, when I can choose between 'warp 8472' (ridiculous as that may sound) and 'warp 9.9999982', I think the first one is preferable.
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They could have easily reconned it to NCC-1710 with the new digital fx, but they didn't and we're stuck with it, again.
And I wanted them to use the AMT model as the basis for the CGI model to play into the idea of an older class of starship but they didn't do that either.They could have easily reconned it to NCC-1710 with the new digital fx, but they didn't and we're stuck with it, again.
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BTW, H, how you doing after the med stuff?
I'm not sure melting the TOS Enterprise down to its raw materials and then rebuilding the TMP Enterprise from scratch using them really counts as "refitting"; if anything I'd say that was more "recycling". And such a drastic reuse of the TOS Enterprise's raw materials really stretches credibility that it's the same ship in any meaningful sense. Certainly not to the point that you can justify it having the same registry number.
He seriously underestimated the urge of one-upmanship
And I agree, when I can choose between 'warp 8472' (ridiculous as that may sound) and 'warp 9.9999982', I think the first one is preferable.
I once played with a warp equation to keep warp 1-9 the same but expand out warp 10-19, with warp 20 being infinite speed instead of warp 10. Interestingly this meant that "warp 13" per the alternate future in TNG: "All Good Things" is almost exactly the same (to within 0.2%) as warp 9.975, or Voyager's purported top speed in VOY: "Caretaker". The Titan-A's warp 9.99 from PIC: "The Next Generation" would be around warp 14.8.
I've once read a theory that warp 1-9 was the warp domain, warp 10-19 was the first transwarp domain, warp 20-29 the second transwarp domain and so on, each 'domain' being in a deeper layer in subspace, being more efficient than the domain above it, and each domain with an vertical asymptote x9.9999...(where both speed and energy expenditure would sharply increase to infinity). If that is true, that could mean warp 9.975 and warp 13 are effectively the same speed, however, with warp 13 being far more energy efficient (and putting less strain on the ship and engines etc), (at the 'cost' of requiring more advanced warp technology).
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