What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[ananta]

Like ENT had an adult contemporary soft-rock song...

... I bet SFA has a hip-hop or 2020s pop song as the intro.

Calling it now.

The Disney + “Willow” series (of which I only managed to watch a couple of episodes before it was expunged from existence) used contemporary pop and rock songs for the end credits and it was unspeakably jarring and created this weird cognitive dissonance. That was probably the least of the show’s failings but it was such a…choice.

 

[Starry-eyed]

The introduction of Seven to Voyager was okay at the beginning, but in the end it was one of the shows biggest downfalls. The writers never bothered to flesh out the other characters & the moment the novelty of a Barbie Borg lessen they continued to push focus on the character.

 

[1001001]

The introduction of Seven to Voyager was okay at the beginning, but in the end it was one of the shows biggest downfalls. The writers never bothered to flesh out the other characters & the moment the novelty of a Barbie Borg lessen they continued to push focus on the character.

"Barbie of Borg" is an unfortunate way of dismissing the good work Ryan did in that role. And continues to do.

 

[Forbin]

Well, personally, I'm not dismissive of Jeri, rather of the character. I feel the same about Jolene - they both did good work with what they were given, but what they were given was one of the producers' bizarre adolescent cat-suited ice queen fetish.

 

[1001001]

Doesn’t the focus on their clothes/looks say something about the audience as well?

 

[BillJ]

I like Robin Curtis as Saavik more than Kirstie Alley.

 

[cooleddie74]

Jeri and Picardo were the two best things about VOY.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like Robin Curtis as Saavik more than Kirstie Alley.

This x 100.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I like Robin Curtis as Saavik more than Kirstie Alley.

In 1984, some fans criticized Curtis' performance as being too "cold", feeling after Alley's Saavik gradually warmed up with sensitivity as her character moved through TWOK, culminating in her crying at Spock's funeral. I believed both contributed to the character demands of their respective stories.

 

[Citiprime]

Doesn’t the focus on their clothes/looks say something about the audience as well?

But was it actually the audience or the producers making the worst assumptions about the audience?

As a heterosexual male, I always thought the actresses looked more attractive in the regular uniforms than the supposedly sexy skintight costume they would dress them in. And that was true in every instance where they did it. Whether it be T'Pol, Seven of Nine, or Troi. Like I've never met anyone or seen a comment here that actually preferred Troi's leisure wear look.

I even think Kira looked better in the Starfleet uniform they put her in towards the end of the series than the more form-fitting Bajoran outfit that they usually had her wear.

 

[Tallguy]

I like Robin Curtis as Saavik more than Kirstie Alley.

Medic!

This x 100.

Help! It's spreading!

 

[BillJ]

Help! It's spreading!

My wife says I'm a like fungus.

 

[cooleddie74]

You must be a fungi.








Oh, to Hell with ALL of you.

 

[fireproof78]

I like Robin Curtis as Saavik more than Kirstie Alley.

I can get on board with this. Curtis has a more dynamic face at times that works well.

 

[BillJ]

I can get on board with this. Curtis has a more dynamic face at times that works well.

I loved the shock on her face as Spock was growing at an accelerated rate on Genesis.

 

[Starry-eyed]

"Barbie of Borg" is an unfortunate way of dismissing the good work Ryan did in that role. And continues to do.

I'm not being dismissing Jeri or her work and I think she did her best work on Picard. And I think Jeri has also made the same comments & her characters story on Picard.

But there is no denying why the character was made to ĺook like a Borg Barbie. They could have at anytime changed the costume & removed the corset / removed the padding from her bra and changed the 4inch heels. But then never did & continued to sexualise the character, when she she wasn't in the catsuit. But still choose to put clothes on her that highlighted the selling points of the character.

Also after season 5 the novelty of the borg in a catsuit had already disappeared. And instead of actually writing for the whole cast. They continued to focus on Seven ignoring it wasn't working, and not every audience member liked or were was intrigued with Seven like them & Braga. I think that did lead to some of the audience tuning out as they were given the same stuff over & over again.

And I do think the writers rounding of Seven's whole development in the final to a male / relationship was a huge mistake. But thankfully that was undone on Picard & Seven had more development & was more of a character on Picard than she was on Voyager.

 

[Praetor]

But was it actually the audience or the producers making the worst assumptions about the audience?

As a heterosexual male, I always thought the actresses looked more attractive in the regular uniforms than the supposedly sexy skintight costume they would dress them in. And that was true in every instance where they did it. Whether it be T'Pol, Seven of Nine, or Troi. Like I've never met anyone or seen a comment here that actually preferred Troi's leisure wear look.

I even think Kira looked better in the Starfleet uniform they put her in towards the end of the series than the more form-fitting Bajoran outfit that they usually had her wear.

Agreed as a homosexual male. In general what you don't see is more alluring than what you do. But don't forget that the female uniforms were not built the same and were more like a catsuit than the uniforms that the men wore.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

But there is no denying why the character was made to ĺook like a Borg Barbie. They could have at anytime changed the costume & removed the corset / removed the padding from her bra and changed the 4inch heels. But then never did & continued to sexualise the character, when she she wasn't in the catsuit. But still choose to put clothes on her that highlighted the selling points of the character.

You can completely thank or blame Rick Berman, for the whole "Borg babe" idea. Brannon Braga first came up with the notion of a crew member from the Collective, after seeing a promo for Season 3's "Unity". He then discussed it with fellow writer Joe Menosky, and in turn they both approached Berman. As for Seven's general appearance, the fact remains in Hollywood that "sex sells", and the ratings for Voyager were starting to drop in Season 3, so the people in charge probably felt they needed a change in direction. I don't know why they put her in high heels, especially with stairs and such on the set - she could've tripped and hurt herself. As for the catsuit supposedly being padded, I doubt that was necessary; Jeri's a 32D by nature, and the added height from her heels probably resulted in her actual chest muscles being pushed outward. That's obviously not the case anymore, since for most of Picard she was in more conventional costumes.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I'm not being dismissing Jeri .

Dismissing? No. Patronizing? Maybe?

Also, way to miss Digits's point entirely.

 

[at Quark's]

But was it actually the audience or the producers making the worst assumptions about the audience?

As a heterosexual male, I always thought the actresses looked more attractive in the regular uniforms than the supposedly sexy skintight costume they would dress them in. And that was true in every instance where they did it. Whether it be T'Pol, Seven of Nine, or Troi. Like I've never met anyone or seen a comment here that actually preferred Troi's leisure wear look.

I was 24 when 7 came along (so I would have been a prime male demographic target), and 7's 'costume' annoyed me to no end. Simply because I didn't - and don't- like this style of 'agressive' (s)exploitation at all- and that's purely going on my 'male' taste, not even taking into account yet how it must be for the other parties (e.g. the actress or women watching the show).

I thought she looked far prettier and more attractive in Picard than in Voyager. (20 years older and in at least somewhat regular outfits)