Nah. We're talking psychic waves traveling through sub-space. Like something out of Star Trek...oh, wait.
When did Discovery JUMP the Shark?
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Complete bullshit having happened in Star Trek before does not mean we should be happy when it happens again.
I'm perfectly happy with gods like being who can alter matter with a thought, telepathic aliens and humans, pills that give you telekinesis, humans transformed into gods by exotic radiation and all that Trek "bullshit".
I imagine that is what happened with Mitchell and Dehner in "Where No Man...". Silly ideas can be great with some decent writing, which is where Discovery falters a lot of the time.
The Terran Empire continues to exist because of an artificial intervention, not the natural flow of time within its own continuity.
Without that intervention, it might have fallen a century earlier.
It's the equivalent of the Temporal Cold War, where the aliens from the future intervened to give the Nazis future tech to disrupt the flow of the timeline. By the standard established by Daniels and the temporal prime directive, it was an unnatural disruption of the timeline that didn't "deserve" to exist.
Ok. I don't disagree. So...you still don't answer the question.
What's that standard, since I have worked hard to ignore that nonsense?
The writing is very hit or miss. Sub-Space psychic wave isn't a miss in my book.
I just realized, I don't think I mentioned when DISCO jumped the shark. Several times...
1. Being set before TOS.
2. Making Burnham Spock's adopted sister. (Though it did at least give us "Lethe".)
3. The Red Angel.
4. Control.
5. Section 31 having an entire fleet of ships.
6. The cause of The Burn.
Take your pick, because there's plenty of times this series has jumped the shark.
1. Being set before TOS.
2. Making Burnham Spock's adopted sister. (Though it did at least give us "Lethe".)
3. The Red Angel.
4. Control.
5. Section 31 having an entire fleet of ships.
6. The cause of The Burn.
Take your pick, because there's plenty of times this series has jumped the shark.
Damn impressive jumping the shark before airing.
Hmmm. I'll quote myself quoting Wikipedia
Not sure any of those fit the definition.
That's the interesting thing about Discovery. There seems to be a wide diversity on which seasons of it were good and which weren't. That always exists with all shows, all ST series. But it seems to be more with Discovery.
For me, I liked DIS S1. I thought S2 was very good and the finale was spectacular (peak DIS for me). But S3 and S4 were pretty bad. At least S4 felt like a thoroughly Trek story so a slight improvement over S3. I'm not sure about S5. So far I think it's better than 3 & 4 but of course we have more to go. And it's having mid-season sputterings like the past two seasons. So, we'll see.
I can see someone totally have different views of those seasons.
But Discovery has changed so much over the years in tone, characters, and setting. So, I'm not surprised opinions differ so much.
Getting back to your comment, "Discovery has been more or less the same since day one." I'd disagree. I think it probably has changed more than most ST series from beginning to end.
This probably has to do with this...
I think.DS9 changed a bit more. Not by much. But, I miss Season 1 Discovery a lot.
I don't know. I'm a huge DS9 fan. It changed a lot. But man Discovery has changed so much more I think. It's also been awhile since I've seen DS9 so it could be that DIS is fresher in my mind. Especially after the time jumping episode.
I stopped watching DS9 and came back.
It changed a lot.
Maybe the difference is that I liked the DS9 changes as a rule whereas the changes in DIS weren't always for the better. So maybe they stood out more?
But you're right, DS9 changed a lot. And shame on you for stopping partway through!! Glad you came back though. Did you ever catchup on the ones you missed?
No, I didn't. Maybe someday. But, "Move Along Home" and "If Wishes were Horses" creeped me out. Hard to want to continue on.
I don't blame you there! As big of a DS9 fan as I am, the first season was pretty horrendous overall.
I still can't get over the lack of apparent anything mattering between the 24th and 31st centuries. That a crew from the 23rd can show up, get their ship refit and step right into leading scientific and political roles when they literally know nothing about the tech, culture, history or politics is absolutely ludicrous. to me. Also, wondering what Raynor did for the past 30 years if the Federation/SF was at a standstill.
Big Crisis of Galactic portent that only the DISCO team can solve. Command level guest-star. Heart felt talks. Sounds like every season of DISCO to me.
True. Some aspects have remained the same. But a lot has changed.
