Starting season 5 out of “completion sickness”…

[YouAreDooomed]

The unneeded Klingon redesign. (Yes visual) They had that pretty well sorted after Enterprise and then had to redesign them with a ridiculous 4 nostril/ shaved pointy headed look. There was zero need for it imo. I know many don't care. But I do as well as many others. Then if course all the story retcons involving Spock/chapel etc. They had a chance to tell some new original stories but we are getting the same characters recasted for a third time starting with Disco into SNW....

There was no actual redesign but rather a design expansion. Give T'Kuvma hair, and he could pass as a TMP/ Berman Klingon, moreover the baldness is described as a tradition during times of (civil) war. The redesigns of the Borg and Romulans were totally needed? The green Andorian? Worf's changing forehead? The completely different Trill? It sucks when they do it in NuTrek because NuTrek.

What Fanon?? Picard was killed per dialog. He is merely a copy. Not one original cell is left in Android Picard. The one place that we humans have original cells left from birth to death is in the brain. Picard doesn't even have his original Brian. Just scanned and mapped ingrams or some such thing....lol

No, you just deliberately misinterpret the dialogue which describes a transfer, which was confirmed to be a transfer by the creators, also in DSC plus season 03 of PIC.
It is hilarious that you casually make up rules for this soft sci-fi setting with a good portion of fantasy, and think you can get away with it. We are talking about a setting that depicts characters frequently getting transformed into some sort of energy even if we ignore the transporter as well as stuff like Q turning Beverly into a dog. In "Our Man Bashir" most of DS9's main characters are uploaded into the station's computer as data with their "neural energy [...] stored at the quantum level," so no human(oid) cells there. According to your fanon, they would all end up as copies.

 

[Dar70]

There was no actual redesign but rather a design expansion. Give T'Kuvma hair, and he could pass as a TMP/ Berman Klingon, moreover the baldness is described as a tradition during times of (civil) war. The redesigns of the Borg and Romulans were totally needed? The green Andorian? Worf's changing forehead? The completely different Trill? It sucks when they do it in NuTrek because NuTrek.



No, you just deliberately misinterpret the dialogue which describes a transfer, which was confirmed to be a transfer by the creators, also in DSC plus season 03 of PIC.
It is hilarious that you casually make up rules for this soft sci-fi setting with a good portion of fantasy, and think you can get away with it. We are talking about a setting that depicts characters frequently getting transformed into some sort of energy even if we ignore the transporter as well as stuff like Q turning Beverly into a dog. In "Our Man Bashir" most of DS9's main characters are uploaded into the station's computer as data with their "neural energy [...] stored at the quantum level," so no human(oid) cells there. According to your fanon, they would all end up as copies.

"Before your brain functions ceased, Dr. Soong and jerahti with help from Soji were able to Scan, map and transfer a complete neural image of your brain substrates"...

Transfered a mapped neural IMAGE....Sounds like a copy to me..nothing of Picard remains on a cellular level. Just a copy of his memories.

As for the transporter. Original atoms and they are conscious during transport ..

 

[fireproof78]

Everyone treats Picard as Picard.

Therefore it's Picard.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, probably a duck.

 

[Lord Garth]

What's this thread even about anymore?

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Discovery is lesser Trek or something like that.

 

[Quantum21]

Aren't you glad you stayed?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The green Andorian? .

Are you talking about Shran's daughter?

There could be an explanation for that. The kid's mum was Aenar, wasn't she?

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, probably a duck.

"You can't have the duck."

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[The Wormhole]

The green Andorian?

Are you talking about Shran's daughter?

TNG S3 actually. In The Offspring when Lal was "trying on" various bodies, one of them was a green-skinned Andorian. Later in Captain's Holiday a green Andorian can be seen walking around Risa.

 

[JRob94]

Maybe it’s another subspecies?

 

[YouAreDooomed]

"Before your brain functions ceased, Dr. Soong and jerahti with help from Soji were able to Scan, map and transfer a complete neural image of your brain substrates"...

Transfered a mapped neural IMAGE....Sounds like a copy to me..nothing of Picard remains on a cellular level. Just a copy of his memories.

This term can have different meanings depending on the context. An "image" can, for instance, be an original thought or an idea. In this particular case it's part of a technobabble explanation of what had happened to Picard, "neural image" is probably synonymous with "neural energy" from the DS9 episode.

Obviously Picard's friends and colleagues would not simply ignore his actual death, they would not treat a copy as the original. The same is true of Adira and Culber after tranferring Gray.

As for the transporter. Original atoms and they are conscious during transport ..

You ignore the events of "Our Man Bashir," it is not a regular transport. The affected characters' minds ("neural energy") are stored as data on the station's computers, obviously not as bilogical cells, and they are explicitly detached from their so-called physical patterns. Something similar happens to Picard in TNG "Lonely Among Us," when his "energy" gets detached as well. So, in ST, you can turn someone's consciousness into a non-biological state and move it around without creating a copy.

On top of that, every person using a transporter get their entire body transformed into energy, your "original atoms" stop being atoms for a usually short time.

As for being conscious during transport, it seems to be at odds with Scotty hiding in a transporter without realising 75 years had passed, plus other issues.

Are you talking about Shran's daughter?

TNG S3 actually. In The Offspring when Lal was "trying on" various bodies, one of them was a green-skinned Andorian. Later in Captain's Holiday a green Andorian can be seen walking around Risa.

I was talking about "The Offspring," it is a blue Andorian in the other epsiode (at least TNG-R). Both can be seen here.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kristina_Kochoff

Maybe it’s another subspecies?

Or just a matter of skin pigmentation. Something new at the time nonetheless.

 

[Quantum21]

I'm continuing to look at this post out of "completion sickness".

Oh the horror and self-flagellation. I hate myself and everyone in it.


Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Everyone treats Picard as Picard.

Therefore it's Picard.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, probably a duck.

He's told like three people?

Considering the anti synth fervor after the synth terrorist assault on Mars, you'd think his general liberties would be curbed, and his safety would be in constant question.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm continuing to look at this post out of "completion sickness".

Oh the horror and self-flagellation. I hate myself and everyone in it.


Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

Finally, someone getting this back on topic.

Discovery will only be the second Star Trek series I'll have watched first-run from start-to-finish, after Picard.

TOS - Wasn't born yet.
TNG - Didn't catch it until mid-run.
DS9 - Watched "Emissary", then stopped, stuck with TNG, and then didn't look at it again until TNG ended.
VOY - Watched the first five seasons, and the first three episodes of the sixth, then I stopped.
ENT - Stopped watching after six episodes and skipped the rest of the series.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm continuing to look at this post out of "completion sickness".

Oh the horror and self-flagellation. I hate myself and everyone in it.


Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

I wish I understood this sickness. There are few, if any Trek programs (or any) I watch to completeness. Is this something you can be vaccinated against?

 

[Tosk]

I think I'd be hard pressed to call that a "green-skinned Andorian". The entire holographic image is obviously tinted green. (For some reason.)

 

[Quantum21]

I wish I understood this sickness. There are few, if any Trek programs (or any) I watch to completeness. Is this something you can be vaccinated against?

I don't understand it mostly either. I think having so many shows of different types gives everyone an "out" if they don't like the tone.

I admit I've watched every episode of everything Trek but Lower Decks is a grind for me and I often wait before watching them. I've seen every episode of Prodigy but they don't stick with me and I don't remember much long after I've seen them.

 

[Phoenix219]

What he means is that it had LCARS and a TOS looking Constitution. That's really the extent of Picard season 3 "respecting canon."

And the body of James Kirk, and a Genesis II torpedo.

That was enough for me.

 

[Phoenix219]

They called it a transfer, not a copy.

Now Spock, he’s a copy. He would have to be, how else could his body still function after transferring his consciousness into McCoy?

I always assumed that it was opening the connection that his katra later traveled through. setting up the conduit, so to speak.

 

[Phoenix219]

I think you secretly like it.

Its a crazy clusterfuck, but i have the feeling that they are cramming multiple seasons of story into half a season or so, and it just makes me sad and curious for what could have been. The ideas I came up with while watching the earlier episodes would have probably been a more interesting show, but, i digress.

 

[Lord Garth]

Its a crazy clusterfuck, but i have the feeling that they are cramming multiple seasons of story into half a season or so, and it just makes me sad and curious for what could have been. The ideas I came up with while watching the earlier episodes would have probably been a more interesting show, but, i digress.

I've never even seen it, so I have no idea. I was just fooling around with @Guy Gardener.

But I do think hate-watchers secretly like what they're watching in general. They have to play it like it's the worst thing ever, but it's all an act. If it's truly an unpleasant experience, someone isn't just going to voluntarily subject themselves to watching it. Whatever it is. That's crazy. Who wants to put themselves through something they hate if they don't have to, as if they have no free will?

EDIT: To be clear, I don't mean people who are critical. I mean someone who seemingly has an intense dislike for a show and every time is like, "I give this episode a 1 out of 10!" "I give this episode a 2!" and goes on a nasty-ugly rant. And going into all of that even with the most inoffensive of episodes. At some point I start thinking, "This is too extreme to be believable. What's really going on here?"