Trying to ignore the toasters can lead to poor outcomes for everyone involved.
Should we allow for AI-generated fiction writing?
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Trying to ignore the toasters can lead to poor outcomes for everyone involved.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this post.
And this is where my comparison to communist purges becomes apt.
There are likely hundreds, if not thousands, of human groups one should be far more worried about.
I'll worry about them when they actively interfere with my livelihood.
Machines are alive and the writing AI are the beginning of true intelligence?
Yeah, that's better than anything I came away with.
Unless you happen to be writing your own autobiography and doing it honestly.
Odd concept, I know, but it can be done.
A very apt analogy and demonstrates the human responsibility in the products of AI. It's a tool. It works at the design, the resources, and directives of humans. It's product, invasive of copyright material or not, is not because AI is an IP thief, it is because the programmers are, and so are the users.
I don't know the details of how AI comes to draw from source material or assemble their work, but when I see an AI produced photo realistic image and I count six fingers on the subject's hand or they are popping up out of the hood of a car or defying some other real world condition, I understand that AI products are likely more unique then Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby song. By the way, Vanilla Ice ended up buying the rights to Under Pressure before the case actually went to trial, even though he claimed it was unique enough to qualify as his own creation.
As far as using existing samples of other people's writing, look again at the music industry. Sampling is so common that many artists don't even realize they are doing it. Most of the beats, rhythms, and riffs are built right into their studio software. There are also plenty of examples of public domain writing to model.
https://www.feedbooks.com/catalog/public_domain
These include some of the best examples of Scifi writing there is:
Jules Verne
HG Wells
Mary Shelly
Andre Norton
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Perhapse a concrete example. Anyone remember this quote? "Mr. Saavik, you go right on quoting regulations."
Have any of you writers ever written a similar statement into one of your stories with this very scene in your heads when you did? Because, I have. My version, and let me highlight "My" in this statement, is, "You keep spouting safety rules. We all could use the reminders." Not the same at all, yet the same. If I had never heard the Star Trek characters say what they said, I might have still written something similar when the occasion came up in my own writing, but how could I, or anyone else, ever know?
Automation will continue to expand and grow. That's all the current version of AI is, but it will get to a point where it will work itself into an economic hole. Not that the AI cares, but the ones using it will eventually have no customers for their products any more.
Who wants to buy some of my original art? I'm selling, but it seems no one is buying.
-Will
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Yes, exactly. My feeling is, if your AI is using public domain sources and / works you've paid a fee to use, then please, go right ahead. I'm not intimidated by that any more than Gordon Ramsey is intimidated by Stouffer's.
I don't think AI, as it currently exists, can produce a work that can compete with a real human in any industry. I also think that if you're using AI for a "first draft" (As the studios wanted to do), it's pretty much just polishing a turd.
My issue with it has always been the mindset behind it. The idea that we can push out the creatives in a creative industry, so that the only people truly making a living at it are the executives, is obscene. I think it's illuminating that Hollywood is trying to embrace that wholeheartedly, while the publishing industry is fighting it tooth and nail.
Ask, who is paying the bills? Who invests the money on production? Who will benefit from reducing overhead and removing the headache of human tempermentality?
Hollywood has already told you where they stand on the subject.
-Will
Hollywood has already told you where they stand on the subject.
-Will
William Shatner on Artificial Intelligence:
"It's all artificial. It's changed everything. It will change everything. Will it come alive and destroy us all? Hopefully."
(From Bill Mahar, Overtime)
After seeing this discussion bang on ad nauseam, I'm starting to agree.
rbs
"It's all artificial. It's changed everything. It will change everything. Will it come alive and destroy us all? Hopefully."
(From Bill Mahar, Overtime)
After seeing this discussion bang on ad nauseam, I'm starting to agree.
rbs
You don't have to follow the discussion, you know. 
AI is a bit of a misnomer for stuff like ChatGPT and the like. Large language models only reproduce what they've absorbed. They don't understand what their training data is, hence the false fingers and incomprehensible script in generated images and the weird tangents in generated texts.
I don't see how that is really useful to creative writing, especially in a non-commercial context like fan fiction, unless you want to have some rather tired and unengaging writing.
In any case, we're a long way off from Skynet or anything coming alive.
AI is a bit of a misnomer for stuff like ChatGPT and the like. Large language models only reproduce what they've absorbed. They don't understand what their training data is, hence the false fingers and incomprehensible script in generated images and the weird tangents in generated texts.
I don't see how that is really useful to creative writing, especially in a non-commercial context like fan fiction, unless you want to have some rather tired and unengaging writing.
In any case, we're a long way off from Skynet or anything coming alive.
But, this is a particularly imaginative group of people. After all, this forum of about science fiction and what the future might be like. Who else is better situated to make such conceptual leaps?
-Will
Making the world a safer placeDid someone call for...
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For machines
-Will
A. That's why robots play an integral role in Star Beagle Adventures
B. That is some next level, sick, scary shit. And people are worried about AI story writers? I'm more worried about unstoppable robot armies since they are clearly quite achievable. We're probably only a year or two away from some madman letting one of those things loose in a school.
https://www.technologyreview.com/20...-act-is-done-heres-what-will-and-wont-change/
Good news, the first Anti-AI laws have been passed. It doesn't go nearly far enough but makes me breathe easier as an artist.
Good news, the first Anti-AI laws have been passed. It doesn't go nearly far enough but makes me breathe easier as an artist.
And from that article:
Which begs the question: If it's actually fair use, why are they trying so hard to hide it?
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