Starting season 5 out of “completion sickness”…

[Nerys Myk]

Season threes story was much more enjoyable then Picard season 1 and 2 imo. It wasn't just callbacks or tng characters.

True, there were also all the TOS movie riffs.
The "story" was probably the weakest in serial Trek. Strictly a paint by numbers affair with a trail of stale breadcrumbs. You could get more ambition from a 40 year old slacker living in his parents' basement.

 

[Dar70]

It's story elements were the same. Mystery box, asshole character not appropriate to the time period, previously unknown relative, psst characters brought back only to die.

The similarities are striking.

Well I will say this....they TOTALLY brought back Data in a good way. Old Data looked more like young Data than young Data in Picard looked like young Data...lol

I loved how they brought back Data. They had to not only deal with his demise from the last film but had to untangle the mess from Picard Season 1. I think they succeeded....
mor

 

[Lord Garth]

Though I'm a PIC Season 3 fan, I'm only going to go so far because this isn't the forum for it, nor is it the topic, but...

True, there were also all the TOS movie riffs.
The "story" was probably the weakest in serial Trek. Strictly a paint by numbers affair with a trail of stale breadcrumbs. You could get more ambition from a 40 year old slacker living in his parents' basement.

I think PIC Season 2 was the weakest in Serialized Trek, not Season 3. PIC S2 was the first season that I thought was less than the sum of its parts. They could've done a lot more with it, but didn't. I still like it (which actually makes things worse because the potential was there), but that's the way I see it. I feel like Season 2 didn't know what it wanted to do and went all over the place. Season 3, whether you love it or hate it, knew what it wanted to do.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Apparently you haven't read my other posts in the past. Yes disco totally botches most of it's look up in season 1. SNW tried to fix some of it. It doesn't have to look exactly like TOS. But the Enterprise should not be twice as big, have a turbo lift interior the size of the Grand canyon and should adhere to simple back story. Other then that the look of SNW is great. Flowing established canon it's not and people can try to justify it all they want. All the shows have canon issues but DISCO and then SNW took it to a level I had never seen before.

If you've watched TOS, TNG and the films from the 20th Century, you most certainly have.

 

[Dar70]

If you've watched TOS, TNG and the films from the 20th Century, you most certainly have.

Huh??? Lol

 

[Nerys Myk]

Huh??? Lol

Their continuity "errors" were next level.

 

[HotRod]

Yes disco totally botches most of it's look up in season 1

I have my own issues with Discovery, but it's production design was never one of them. Show looks great.

But the Enterprise should not be twice as big,

Says who? The size of the Enterprise was never stated in canon. Plus, the new size works better for what was shown on screen.

and should adhere to simple back story.

It does.

All the shows have canon issues

Absolutely.

but DISCO and then SNW took it to a level I had never seen before.

Nah.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Are we still using "canon" to mean continuity?

 

[fireproof78]

I loved how they brought back Data. They had to not only deal with his demise from the last film but had to untangle the mess from Picard Season 1. I think they succeeded....

What mess?

If you've watched TOS, TNG and the films from the 20th Century, you most certainly have.

Yes, the issues are there; they just get ignored because...

 

[Dar70]

Their continuity "errors" were next level.

Eh.. not as bad as Discovery imo.

 

[Dar70]

What mess?

Yes, the issues are there; they just get ignored because...

The mess with Data's second death and the awful makeup job they did on him and the killing off of Picard. Which they didn't fix but at least we kinda got Data back.

 

[fireproof78]

The mess with Data's second death and the awful makeup job they did on him and the killing off of Picard. Which they didn't fix but at least we kinda got Data back.

Mess must be subjective here.

Eh.. not as bad as Discovery imo.

There are some I just turn off the episode because of them.

Yeah, they get distracting in TNG.

 

[YouAreDooomed]

I have stayed with this show way too long, but might as well keep at it for the last run. Never would have guessed we would get another breadcrumb season Someone on that writing staff just cant help themselves. I almost got a giggle when they realized the map to the McGuffin was broken into 5 parts. With the desperate financial straights Paramount finds itself in, this is most likely the end of the Paramount/Trek relationship, with Discovery most likely being the last (or close ) hoorah. I am hopeful for the future, and hoping we can get something new and more to the spirit of the original.

Another "I felt an itch, so I started a thread." Also poor attempt to justify hatewatching.

Flowing established canon it's not and people can try to justify it all they want. All the shows have canon issues but DISCO and then SNW took it to a level I had never seen before.

Thing is this nonsense about canon/ continuity violations does not stand up to any closer examination. Nobody can be forced to like redesigns, but the reason why they exist is a no-brainer, while precedents are of course happily ignored. Not to mention that funny retcon force called "reality."

killing off of Picard.

Seriously? You cannot expect anyone to buy into your fanon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Eh.. not as bad as Discovery imo.

They were horrible. No consistent dating. Characters names changed. Nomenclature was inconsistent. Makeup altered for no good reason. Ships bigger on the inside than the outside.
I don’t think the people in charge really cared.

 

[Quantum21]

Eh.. not as bad as Discovery imo.

What continuity errors? You mean the intentional changes?? It's a retcon, mostly a visual one.

 

[Dar70]

What continuity errors? You mean the intentional changes?? It's a retcon, mostly a visual one.

The unneeded Klingon redesign. (Yes visual) They had that pretty well sorted after Enterprise and then had to redesign them with a ridiculous 4 nostril/ shaved pointy headed look. There was zero need for it imo. I know many don't care. But I do as well as many others. Then if course all the story retcons involving Spock/chapel etc. They had a chance to tell some new original stories but we are getting the same characters recasted for a third time starting with Disco into SNW....
Again I understand that some people don't care but there are many people that do. I don't expect everything to line up perfect. Never have .But Star Trek has been all over the place the last 8 years. Even Enterprise (which was lambasted for continuity errors back in 2001) respected things much more.

 

[Dar70]

Another "I felt an itch, so I started a thread." Also poor attempt to justify hatewatching.



Thing is this nonsense about canon/ continuity violations does not stand up to any closer examination. Nobody can be forced to like redesigns, but the reason why they exist is a no-brainer, while precedents are of course happily ignored. Not to mention that funny retcon force called "reality."



Seriously? You cannot expect anyone to buy into your fanon.

What Fanon?? Picard was killed per dialog. He is merely a copy. Not one original cell is left in Android Picard. The one place that we humans have original cells left from birth to death is in the brain. Picard doesn't even have his original Brian. Just scanned and mapped ingrams or some such thing....lol

 

[fireproof78]

Never have .But Star Trek has been all over the place the last 8 years. Even Enterprise (which was lambasted for continuity errors back in 2001) respected things much more.

Hahaha...no.

I turned Enterprise off because it was a Next Generation clone reskinned.

What Fanon?? Picard was killed per dialog. He is merely a copy. Not one original cell is left in Android Picard. The one place that we humans have original cells left from birth to death is in the brain. Picard doesn't even have his original Brian. Just scanned and mapped ingrams or some such thing....lol

Where's the Brian located in the human body?

How did Chakotay survive in Cathexis?

Kirk and Spock survive with Sargon's people moving their minds?

Kirk and Lester?

Rascals?

Then if course all the story retcons involving Spock/chapel etc. Th

Only retcon is fan assumption.

There was zero need for it imo

There is zero need for Star Trek, period.

 

[Tuskin38]

But the Enterprise should not be twice as big,

The TOS Enterprise scale isn't canon. So no it isn't twice as big, it's the same size.

 

[Dar70]

Hahaha...no.

I turned Enterprise off because it was a Next Generation clone reskinned.


Where's the Brian located in the human body?

How did Chakotay survive in Cathexis?

Kirk and Spock survive with Sargon's people moving their minds?

Kirk and Lester?

Rascals?

Only retcon is fan assumption.

There is zero need for Star Trek, period.

You never finished Enterprise???

It has its faults but there are some really good gems in there....

Kirk and Spock had their consciousness stored. If kirks body has died so would Kirk. His conscience is not all who he is. Plus it was not a copy like Picards......again the dialog in Picard Season one clearly states it's a copy.

There is zero need for anything. Even delicious food. Lol