Stargazer series with Young Picard
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Hasn't that bridge been crossed?
Not even me?
David Tristian Birkin, Marcus Nash, Tom Hardy and Dylan Van Halle all say hi.
I mean, they're younger. By definition they will not replicate exactly because that's not how people work, except in Hollywood.
So there are two schools of thought on the subject.
1. Can't ape the production styles of the past because it's not believable enough.
2. Must ape the production styles of the past or else the nostalgia factor goes out the window.
I also offer a third alternative:
3. Use similar past production styles but update them for a modern audience (which is basically what SNW is doing.)
We already know that the monster maroons (with some slightly different detailing) are something that the producers are aware of and could potentially recreate. It's also possible that TUC-era ships, props, sets. etc., wouldn't look too out-of-style that they couldn't be recreated with a similar update. But really, unless we're talking reel-to-reel tape computers like what we saw in TOS, the 80's design aesthetic can still hold up. Am I expecting completely identical recreations of the TMP films? No. But if it's close enough that I'm not saying to myself, 'gosh, this looks just like the stuff I saw in Star Trek: Picard,' then I'm good with it.
We're definitely not going to see a faithful recreation of the early 24th century aesthetic we saw on the Stargazer and Enterprise C mainly because that was based on the set designs of the first four TOS movies and which we already saw get significantly updated in TFF, TUC and the Enterprise B segment of Generations.
Now we might see an updated variation of that late 23rd century look from the later TOS movies in the Section 31 movie and any future productions set in the Lost Era, and I certainly would not object if we did. Perhaps even a "halfway" design stage between the TUC era computer interfaces and LCARS.
As for the uniforms, I've been preparing myself all along for the possibility that if the Lost Era were ever revisited, we'd see a new uniform design. Maybe they might suggest the new uniforms we're seeing somehow coexist with the Monster Maroons, like the early Disco novels tried to say regarding the blue Disco uniforms and the uniforms from The Cage and WNMHGB.
Now we might see an updated variation of that late 23rd century look from the later TOS movies in the Section 31 movie and any future productions set in the Lost Era, and I certainly would not object if we did. Perhaps even a "halfway" design stage between the TUC era computer interfaces and LCARS.
As for the uniforms, I've been preparing myself all along for the possibility that if the Lost Era were ever revisited, we'd see a new uniform design. Maybe they might suggest the new uniforms we're seeing somehow coexist with the Monster Maroons, like the early Disco novels tried to say regarding the blue Disco uniforms and the uniforms from The Cage and WNMHGB.
I've been advocating replacing the MM coveralls with something else and adding a day-to-day service uniform (relegating the MM uniform to a dress uniform) for years, so I'd be 100% onboard with at least a partial replacement.
Well captaining a starfleet ship for 22 years is undoubtedly remarkable. Would thus be intriguing if a stargazer prequel series/tv movie arises sometime soon. Which focuses on the major milestones of Picard's said journey. What's more, as part of lost era lore, this show or tv movie could be quite captivating.
We recently received word that the upcoming Picard tv movie is taking shape. Maybe plans for a prequel Picard tv show/movie could soon arise too.
We recently received word that the upcoming Picard tv movie is taking shape. Maybe plans for a prequel Picard tv show/movie could soon arise too.
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I have some affinity for the maroons, although I didn’t like the idea that they were the standard duty uniform for like 70 years before the TNG season 1 unis were made. So I wouldn’t have a problem if they made some newer ‘intermediate’ uniforms that coexisted alongside the maroons that we just never saw. But I’m more interested in any Lost Era ship designs they come up with (barring them just reusing Excelsiors and Mirandas.) This is where my faith in their design process starts to falter. For example, I wouldn’t want them to ‘update’ the Stargazer just for the sake of change, and then tell us that the design we’ve been seeing for 35 years (including PIC season 3) ‘isn’t really what the ship looked like.’ 
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Something like the technician jumpsuits from TWOK-TUC (the "Utility Uniform" here) might have made sense as an intermediary daily duty uniform.
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There’s also this weird blue uniform that looks DSC-esque but has a TNG style commbadge. Perhaps it’s an intermediate uniform between the maroons and the TNG season 1 jumpsuits? (Although it doesn’t resemble either):
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarTrekDi..._with_this_holographic_officer_from/#lightbox
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarTrekDi..._with_this_holographic_officer_from/#lightbox
Looks comfortable.
I wouldn't want them to move entirely away from the maroons, but I do think it would make sense for them to streamline them a bit, make them a little less ostentatious like they were in the movies and bring them closer to something resembling how they looked when worn by Lost Era officers in TNG. Drop the belt, the shoulder clasp, the sleeve cuff, and the black piping, and give the jacket a bit more of a SNW-style V-neck collar. Slim down both the jacket and the pants to make them less baggy. Keep the undershirt but replace the puffy turtleneck with a simpler undershirt like those worn on SNW, and keep most of the same division colors: white for command, gold for operations, light blue for sciences, light green for medical.
That brings up a good point: If the maroons had at some point been given departmental colors, would they have been yellow for command, red for engineering, and blue for science/medical, or would they have been an early adopter of the TNG divisions of red for command and yellow for engineering (blue for science/medical being the same)?
The point is moot because we saw that they never changed from being all red. It's just a thought experiment.
Actually, light blue undershirts were worn by "Special Services", defined by Bob Fletcher primarly as commissary, janitorial and recreation, but also including tailors, cobblers, barbers/beauticians, photographers, printers and painters.
Space Sciences (including Navigation) and Communications wore grey undershirts.
If we went with something like that, my thought would be to make red the color for command at that point, to serve as the transition point between when command went from gold to red. As if to say the color red had become so ingrained in the public view of Starfleet by that point that they decided to put their most visible officers--the captains--in red.
Yeah, true. Well, either way, since the idea is to streamline things, I'd still get rid of one and keep the other. Probably put "special services" in yellow and use either the blue or the grey for sciences.
