"Warp 7 beauties" = the Daedalus class?
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No, that's utterly impossible.
The Deadalus class vessels may have been practical but they weren't beauties. If Reed thinks so I'd plead (criminal) insanity.
The Deadalus class vessels may have been practical but they weren't beauties. If Reed thinks so I'd plead (criminal) insanity.
We really only know of exactly two types of ship that were canonically active in the immediate years after the foundation of the Federation....
The Daedalus and Freedom Classes.
The Daedalus is..... an acquired taste. Not sure if they're anyone's idea of beauty.
The Freedom looks better, but it's an older design that seemed to be "grandfathered" into the Federation. The Franklin specifically was the first ship to break Warp 4, but there's nothing to say they couldn't have been upgraded.
The Daedalus and Freedom Classes.
The Daedalus is..... an acquired taste. Not sure if they're anyone's idea of beauty.
The Freedom looks better, but it's an older design that seemed to be "grandfathered" into the Federation. The Franklin specifically was the first ship to break Warp 4, but there's nothing to say they couldn't have been upgraded.
The thing about the Daedalus design is that it was never meant to be a ship built 100 year before TOS. It was a precursor design to the TOS Enterprise that Greg Jein co-opted for the Star Trek Chronology book. Even the description of such century-old ships like the Horizon from "A Piece of the Action" (retroactively given the Daedalus class designation in the Star Trek Encyclopedia after TNG's "Power Play" gave a class name to another 100 year old starship) mentioned that it had landing capability, which the Daedalus design doesn't seem to have. The Daedalus looks far more like a contemporary to the TOS Enterprise than an Earth ship build pre-Federation. So seeing ships like the NX class, the NC class, the Warp Delta, the Franklin-type and the Intrepid-type, which look nothing like the Daedalus, is fine. So the 'warp 7 beauties' are probably not the Daedalus class.
Captain Bryce's personal log, january 17th, 2162. A scheduled contact with the Nausicaans didn't go so well today. They remarked that the USS Essex looked, and I quote here 'butt ugly'. They didn't seem to appreciate the retort that we usually only see its interior so that it wasn't really our problem, but theirs instead. They started shooting. It's a good thing this new generation of ships can do warp 7.
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Its also not unusual for Starfleet ships to be in service for a century (Miranda class, Excelsior class). Or for ship classes to have successors that use the same design (Excelsior II class).
Its not really a stretch for the Daedalus class to have served between 2161 and the late 2260s. Even though the Daedalus class supposedly is decommissioned by 2196.
Maybe 22nd century Daedalus class ship design takes cues from the NX class, and the 23rd century takes design cues from the TOS-era Constitution class?
That's what a lot of fan art tends to do. It certainly helps make the ship a little better looking.
Eaglemoss did their version of the ship a lot closer to the original model from Sisko's office, but even they added a few Enterprise era details.
This model has since been made canonical thanks to being seen as artwork in season 1 of Strange New Worlds.
I've seen a fan design that puts the nacelle plyons firmly in the engineering section and that makes it look a lot better. I think it appeared in Star Trek: Legacy.
Modern detailing can help with the rest without breaking or fully redesigning its form, and if you shove in the Icarus Class fan design it works IMO. The white paint, the smoothness of the hull, the speed, the novelty and so on definitely can make it a 'beauty', a herald of a new post-war age, and a advancement in their understanding of tech and engineering; it definitely can look 'nice' for a tin can.
Modern detailing can help with the rest without breaking or fully redesigning its form, and if you shove in the Icarus Class fan design it works IMO. The white paint, the smoothness of the hull, the speed, the novelty and so on definitely can make it a 'beauty', a herald of a new post-war age, and a advancement in their understanding of tech and engineering; it definitely can look 'nice' for a tin can.
Definitely so.No, that's utterly impossible.
The Deadalus class vessels may have been practical but they weren't beauties. If Reed thinks so I'd plead (criminal) insanity.
I always felt that the saving grace of the Daedalus-class was with its simplistic design, those vessels could be built in a very short period of time and in large numbers--perhaps something that couldn't be done with the NX-class. For a then fledgling Federation, Starfleet might have needed a lot of ships very quickly, and the Daedalus-class was able to fill that need. I don't think they were the Warp 7 ships Reed was alluding to. If we go with the idea that the Daedalus was a heavily mass-produced design, they may not even have been Warp 5 ships, IMO, and were built with the most basic and commonly-used systems at the time. In such a scenario, they may have been far from cutting edge vessels, but they got the job done regardless.
"Slap 'em together and ship 'em out."--I could see that as the motto for the Daedalus Class Development Project.
"Slap 'em together and ship 'em out."--I could see that as the motto for the Daedalus Class Development Project.
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Is there anything in the canon that says the Horizon can't be the ECS Horizon? I mean.... they had the book.
Is there anything in the canon that says the Horizon can't be the ECS Horizon? I mean.... they had the book.
Actually, the book was “Chicago Gangs,” not “Chicago Mobs of the Twenties.”
Was it? Been a minute since I watched either episode. I'll take your word for it. In the meantime, I'll add those to my queue.
I always hoped the Daedalus class was around offscreen during the events of the show Enterprise and fought in the Romulan War. Because "Power Play" said the class was retired by the 2190s, back in the 90s I assumed ships stuck around for like 50 years like some aircraft carriers and so they'd been active for way before then. I pictured them and some Vulcan ships fighting the Romulans.
In my mind I treat the class as having different variations, kinda akin to the Nebula class. Like the model in Sisko's office is akin to the Proto-Nebula and if it had been depicted in Enterprise it would be more streamlined like what we got with the Nebula later for Phoenix and Sutherland. A bit like this.
The fact there was an episode called "Daedalus" and wasn't about the ship kinda annoyed me back when it aired, like it was rubbing salt in a wound.
In my mind I treat the class as having different variations, kinda akin to the Nebula class. Like the model in Sisko's office is akin to the Proto-Nebula and if it had been depicted in Enterprise it would be more streamlined like what we got with the Nebula later for Phoenix and Sutherland. A bit like this.
The fact there was an episode called "Daedalus" and wasn't about the ship kinda annoyed me back when it aired, like it was rubbing salt in a wound.
Its plausible that the parts of an NX, Intrepid or Daedalus ship could all be reused and re-purposed on other ships
They probably come in many different sizes, and with different warp engines, depending on the purpose of the starship. So, some Daedalus ships top out at warp 2 or warp 3. Other Daedalus's top out at warp 5.2 like Enterprise. Others top out at warp 7.
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