Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard
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Why do we think NAR comes from the same sequence?
You can handwave it, but the Confederacy La Sirena had the same registry number as the civilian one in the normal universe, but was an NCC instead of an NAR.
To me NAR is a civilian, private registry number attached to individual owners and private organizations.
While obviously non-canon, it has been postulated that "NAR" stands for a "Naval Auxiliary Resource/Research/Reserve" vessel.
Im sorry but I think the odyssey is a beautiful ship. Those curves are perfect
https://www.deviantart.com/dariustrent/art/Odyssey-s-End-Advanced-Super-Capital-Program-1037777093
https://www.deviantart.com/dariustrent/art/Odyssey-s-End-Advanced-Super-Capital-Program-1037777093
I always felt the Oberthitis the Odyssey was given with the twin connecting dorsals was a somewhat interesting, if odd, choice, but I've never outright hated it the way some folks have out there. I mean, shit, at least it visually fits with the timeline of its contemporaries, unlike the bizarre bouillabaisse of mid-23rd century ship designs DSC S1 rolled out, and then absurdly re-used for early-25th century PIC as still being in active use during the Mars synth attack scenes. I get the VFX budget and time constraints and blah blah, but still...
DSC Season 1 just followed Bryan Fuller's misguided edict to chuck the familiar to the wind and go wild and, yeah, most of the results were not good. Aside from the DSC Enterprise, the Shepard-class and things about the Walker-class the Starfleet aesthetic for the freshman year of the series was pretty mediocre.
I dunno what exactly it is, but I just dislike that ship. It's so..... ostentatious?
If we're talking early Disco ships, I gotta throw some love behind the Magee class. It's so ugly and yet..... I like it.
I don't want to disrupt your logic here much, but...world navies sometimes "reset" ship type numbers.Good points... I didn't remember how annoyingly specific that line was.
Agreed, Geordi's lines about "gathering the whole fleet" must be leaving out some qualifier like "gathering the whole home fleet" or something along these lines.
That was exactly why I disliked that 7,000 line; the registries just aren't high enough. It would also probably presuppose every ship ever registered (and then some) were in service at the same time. I mean we all know Starfleet registry numbers can't be sequential and purposefully seem to support lots of oddities, but still...
Possible that in the DSC era different classes, types or fleets had different registry prefixes and they were all renumbered at some point during the early TOS era?
Some examples:
The mental gymnastics to accommodate such a large number of ships gets quickly annoying and suffers from a general lack of onscreen evidence, and indeed, evidence to the contrary. Ignoring the Kelvin for a moment, what we do see is a bunch of NCC-XXXX registry ships as early as the 2250s with numbers that are around 1700 and below.
- Registry Prefix by Type: Cruisers would still be NCC-XXXX while a frigate might be NCF-XXXX.
- Registry Letter by Type: Cruisers would be NCC-XXXX, survey ships would be NCC-SXXX, freighters would be NCC-FXXXX (which we did see on TAS) and so on.
- Registry Prefix by Fleet: First Fleet was registered NCA-XXXX, the Second Fleet NCB-XXXX, the Third Fleet NCC-XXXX... and we mostly saw ships from the Third Fleet.
It also happens when new types are created.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_1975_ship_reclassification
I think there's enough uncertainty that we can give them some leeway.
One of the only ships I liked was the Nimitz/Europa. One of the few I really bought as an era-appropriate ship.
While I initially didn't like it, the Klingon Sarcophogus grew on me as well.
The Sarcophagus Ship was the best Klingon design in streaming Trek until the "new" D7 showed up. I give them solid points for T'Kuvma's command ship.
Yep, agreed. That's where I got the idea from that 23rd century Starfleet might have done similar. Perhaps the answer, instead, is that there were several resets here and there.
The ships in Discovery are among my favorite in the franchise.
I liked the Disco Klingon Bird-of-Prey. It literally looked like they were flying around in a statue of a bird, which was a cool aesthetic, if not really fitting Klingons as we know them.
I tend to agree that most of the ships in DSC S1 were far too different from what we would consider to be mid-23rd or early TOS era starship aesthetics. They would have fit in better with the Abramsverse fleet and definitely wouldn't feel out of place in the PIC era hence why I not that fussed over their re-use in that sequence. At least the designers of the SNW Enterprise did the right thing and kept the design at least similar to what we saw in TOS.
I've always maintained that the ships used by the Klingons in DSC S1 were superbly done. They just didn't at all seem to be suitable as "Klingon" ships (especially the one that showed up that everyone called a "D7" that clearly was not).
Would they have worked for any other lesser-known species? Absolutely, without a doubt! Klingons? Absolutely not. The wonky Gorn ship used in SNW doesn't invoke the same visceral disdain as does the DSC Klingon ships to me. That's mostly because we never knew much about the Gorn and they were a pretty much blank slate, so have at it!
And if they'd given the Fed ships the single simple adjustment of round(er) nacelles, I think it would have been a considerably much easier pill to swallow.
Fuller's "change for the sake of change" approach, reversing the "25% different" rule and making it "75% different" was, as @cooleddie74 said, misguided - woefully so. And I think that's putting it very nicely. Oh, well... Much water under the scattered ashes of many fandom bridges demolished with thermite.
Would they have worked for any other lesser-known species? Absolutely, without a doubt! Klingons? Absolutely not. The wonky Gorn ship used in SNW doesn't invoke the same visceral disdain as does the DSC Klingon ships to me. That's mostly because we never knew much about the Gorn and they were a pretty much blank slate, so have at it!
And if they'd given the Fed ships the single simple adjustment of round(er) nacelles, I think it would have been a considerably much easier pill to swallow.
Fuller's "change for the sake of change" approach, reversing the "25% different" rule and making it "75% different" was, as @cooleddie74 said, misguided - woefully so. And I think that's putting it very nicely. Oh, well... Much water under the scattered ashes of many fandom bridges demolished with thermite.
