Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[BillJ]

Since the Voyager-B appeared in a graphic aboard La Sirena in PIC Season 3 this is appropriate for this thread. The size of Janeway's Voyager compared to the ship class to which the Voyager-B belongs and separated by only about 20 years.

It is a bit curvier, but the 'B' looks a lot like the pre-series concept art.

 

[Danja]

I seem to recall that right after Discovery season 2, a Pike spinoff seemed like a sure thing. Maybe not officially, at least not right away. But, there was something in the air.

There was all the talk about how the Bridge of the Enterprise was made differently. That it was steel construction and not something that would have been made for only a couple of appearance. It was built for a higher purpose than just a couple guests appearances.

Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, and Rebecca Romijn talked about the possibility of a spinoff in an almost teasing fashion, barely containing their glee.... like they knew.

Plus, Paramount was spending money like drunken sailors. Strange New Worlds was pretty much a sure-thing, long before any petitions even started.

At least that's my read of it.

I'm not getting that feeling this time. Yes, there's the petition and a very vocal group of fans, but that's it.

It's pretty much radio silences from Paramount. The cast and crew certainly aren't gleefully teasing a spinoff. Hell, some of them seem like they're begging for work. The sets were all destroyed, save for the Ent-D. Matalas is working on other projects, and Paramount is in the process of cutting cost.

If Star Trek: Legacy has any momentum, it's moving at a glacial pace.

Alex Kurtzman has recently alluded to upcoming "surprises":

https://www.cinemablend.com/interviews/star-trek-alex-kurtzman-franchise-speculation-mergers

Well, listen, a couple of things you have to keep in mind that, again, five seasons of any television show is a really good run for a show, and part of what also happens, given the way that the streaming cycles work, is that shows are quicker to be changed over. The good news is that the health of the franchise is vibrant now. We're shooting Section 31, we're about to start Starfleet Academy, and there's a couple of surprises coming up after that. So there's definitely no shortage of Star Trek incoming.

 

[TerryTrek]

I don't get the impression any of them are really "pushing" for Legacy. A few have said they're open to doing such a show should it happen, but no one seems to be actively pursuing it. Indeed, Matalas seems accepting of the fact it likely won't happen.

He also is actively encouraging fans to be vocal for it. He said that several times, including in The Trades (Variety I believe).

He just said there's nothing happening with it right now, as far as he can say. Frakes, Jeri, Stashwick and the other actors have been active about it on social media.

However, in Paramount's current situation of major streaming losses... it really makes no sense to funnel money into another expensive Trek show while two are running.


From a business POV right now, Legacy would be risky investment.

 

[Firebird]

Since the Voyager-B appeared in a graphic aboard La Sirena in PIC Season 3 this is appropriate for this thread. The size of Janeway's Voyager compared to the ship class to which the Voyager-B belongs and separated by only about 20 years.

I've tried to like the STO-inspired designs they snuck into PIC S3, but I just don't dig the black-on-white aesthetic one bit. It's so at odds with the ships designed by Drexler, Okuda, Blass, et al.

 

[Danja]

The Legacy green light is being held up by Paramount's merger:

https://twitter.com/RyancBritt/status/1775148376062914904?s=19

As the person who did this interview with #AlexKurtzman, I want to provide a bit of context about his #StarTrekLegacy quote. Paramount is literally UP FOR SALE at the moment, Kurtzman can't make anything new happen until that's resolved, hence the "magic button" comment.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Good.
Now the people who constantly claim to be certain it will never happen claiming that NOBODY is pushing for this can shut up and let the fans of this idea continue to be hopeful knowing that it's not dismissed by everyone behind the scenes.
Maybe these people will also wake up and realize that, since they're not in any closed door meetings when these things are discussed, they actually know next to nothing about the topic and, again, quit with the constant condescending negativity.
End rant.

 

[Campe]

Oh, I’ve read in some places that they don’t believe that Kurtzman would ever actually say that because Picard season 3 was “too good” and “better than anything Kurtzman put out.”

Because there always has to be a bad guy.

 

[fireproof78]

Now the people who constantly claim to be certain it will never happen claiming that NOBODY is pushing for this can shut up and let the fans of this idea continue to be hopeful knowing that it's not dismissed by everyone behind the scenes.

There's no certainty in Hollywood.

With Paramount it comes down to a simple rule: I'll believe when it's out, and not a minute before.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

There's no certainty in Hollywood.

With Paramount it comes down to a simple rule: I'll believe when it's out, and not a minute before.

It's not the certainty of hollywood that's the problem.
It's the false certainty of posters on the bbs who think they know what's happening and continue to tell others they know what's happening, even though they have less clue than the people in charge of these shows.

"Legacy isn’t a thing." or "At this point it's nothing more than a hashtag and wishful thinking."

It's a LITTLE more than wishful thinking when the head of Star Trek says it's a thing. But people need to know everything yesterday, and if the 24 hour news cycle didn't give them everything they wanted to hear the moment they wanted it, then it doesn't exist as far as they're concerned. Which isn't how the world has ever worked.

Now will it happen? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. And that's the real answer. Not "There's no momentum because I see no momentum".

 

[fireproof78]

But people need to know everything yesterday, and if the 24 hour news cycle didn't give them everything they wanted to hear the moment they wanted it, then it doesn't exist as far as they're concerned.

Then it doesn't exist. "Nothing unreal exists," to quote Spock.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Then it doesn't exist. "Nothing unreal exists," to quote Spock.

The idea and potential certainly exists.

Edited to add, quit moving the goalposts, you know we're discussing the idea and momentum and not the finished and filmed product.

 

[fireproof78]

The idea and potential certainly exists.

Correct, yes, technically.

But, as someone really interested in a 4th Kelvin film you'll forgive my skepticism (or cynicism if you prefer) at this idea ever getting filmed or released. It's not real enough for me to hope in, sorry.

Mileage will vary, and no doubt accusations of cynicism, and rage, and anti-Legacy will persist.

 

[HotRod]

"Legacy isn’t a thing." or "At this point it's nothing more than a hashtag and wishful thinking."

I've yet to read anything today that makes either of these statements untrue. Until a show is given a greenlight, that's exactly what it is, wishful thinking.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Correct, yes, technically.

But, as someone really interested in a 4th Kelvin film you'll forgive my skepticism (or cynicism if you prefer) at this idea ever getting filmed or released. It's not real enough for me to hope in, sorry.

Mileage will vary, and no doubt accusations of cynicism, and rage, and anti-Legacy will persist.

That's all fair. And maybe this isn't directed necessarily at you. But the idea of Legacy is there, and there's discussion at least with more people than just Matalas and fans. Where people were saying it was nothing more.

It may not happen, in this streaming climate, that's unfortunately more than possible. But the idea of it genuinely being on the table can't be dismissed.

I've yet to read anything today that makes either of these statements untrue. Until a show is given a greenlight, that's exactly what it is, wishful thinking.

The guy overseeing the whole franchise who greenlights the shows once given the go-ahead wants this. That's a tad more then "wishful thinking".

 

[HotRod]

The guy overseeing the whole franchise who greenlights the shows once given the go-ahead wants this. That's a tad more then "wishful thinking".

Isn't this exactly what he's been saying for the better part of a year? Kurtzman has always said it's something they'd possibly do.

Nothing has changed.

 

[fireproof78]

That's all fair. And maybe this isn't directed necessarily at you. But the idea of Legacy is there, and there's discussion at least with more people than just Matalas and fans. Where people were saying it was nothing more.

Because it's not in development. I don't think that's cynical but an appreciation of current known facts. Once it goes in to development it might feel a little more real.

Then again, the film side is proof that things are "always in the works."

 

[Danja]

Oh, I’ve read in some places that they don’t believe that Kurtzman would ever actually say that because Picard season 3 was “too good” and “better than anything Kurtzman put out.”

Because there always has to be a bad guy.

How can that be?

Picard S3 came out under Kurtzman. It's not as if anyone sneaked around behind his back.

It's not the certainty of hollywood that's the problem.
It's the false certainty of posters on the bbs who think they know what's happening and continue to tell others they know what's happening, even though they have less clue than the people in charge of these shows.

"Legacy isn’t a thing." or "At this point it's nothing more than a hashtag and wishful thinking."

It's a LITTLE more than wishful thinking when the head of Star Trek says it's a thing. But people need to know everything yesterday, and if the 24 hour news cycle didn't give them everything they wanted to hear the moment they wanted it, then it doesn't exist as far as they're concerned. Which isn't how the world has ever worked.

Now will it happen? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. And that's the real answer. Not "There's no momentum because I see no momentum".

It's taken SIX YEARS for Section 31 to begin filming.

Things take time even under the best of circumstances.

 

[Paul755]

Correct, yes, technically.

But, as someone really interested in a 4th Kelvin film you'll forgive my skepticism (or cynicism if you prefer) at this idea ever getting filmed or released. It's not real enough for me to hope in, sorry.

Mileage will vary, and no doubt accusations of cynicism, and rage, and anti-Legacy will persist.

yeah, the 4th Kelvin film which is on its now 5th(?) different creative team with no actual signs of momentum in actually getting infront of the cameras should give anyone pause here.

I expect the surprises he’s talking about have more to do with casting. Like having Shatner show up as Kirk’s father on SNW or Stewart showing up as Picard on Lower Decks, etc…

 

[Danja]

I expect the surprises he’s talking about have more to do with casting. Like having Shatner show up as Kirk’s father on SNW

That'll break a lot of people's brains!

 

[fireproof78]

*squints in Tom Paris and Nicholas Locarno.*