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Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

The original Titan seems very derivative. Looks like a cross between a Sovereign and an Akira. There’s very little originality to the design.

My understanding for the original concept for the Titan was that it was supposed to be the Miranda or Nebula equivalent for the Sovereign-class. Your mileage may vary on how effective, or indeed attractive, you feel the final design is in accomplishing that.

Personally, I always thought the Titan should have been a brand-new post-Dominion War upgraded Galaxy-class. It just didn't make sense to me for Riker to leave the Enterprise for a smaller, less high profile ship given how long he made his whole career plan "wait for Picard to give up the flagship's big chair".

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From what I remember the book publisher held a design contest for the new ship which would be featured in the first novel and that design for the Luna class won. While it may be derivative of other ships, a lot of ships on Starfleet are also.
 
I always loved the alternate future Galaxy Class with 3 nacelles we saw in All Good Things it was kind of badass looking like a hotrod.
That may actually be on the rock bottom of my own Starship list.

It took what little I did like about the Galaxy class and covered it up with a bunch of crap tacked on. Sorta like the Enterprise-B......

I guess I just don't like ships with a bunch of crap stuck onto them....

Plus..... I'm fine with one Nacelle. I'm fine with two and four..... but for some reason, three just looks weird to me.

Opinions may vary.
 
From what I remember the book publisher held a design contest for the new ship which would be featured in the first novel and that design for the Luna class won.

Yes. If I recall correctly one of the requirements was that the Titan had to be smaller than the Sovereign-class. (And designs were only permitted from the US and parts of Canada, because finite diversity in finite combinations or something :rolleyes:)
 
(And designs were only permitted from the US and parts of Canada, because finite diversity in finite combinations or something :rolleyes:)
There were probably legal reasons. That's usually why those restrictions exist.

The original Titan seems very derivative. Looks like a cross between a Sovereign and an Akira. There’s very little originality to the design.
The Luna looks better than both of them.
 
Yes. If I recall correctly one of the requirements was that the Titan had to be smaller than the Sovereign-class. (And designs were only permitted from the US and parts of Canada, because finite diversity in finite combinations or something :rolleyes:)
Because legal negotiations suck internationally.
 
As one who entered the contest and lost, I can tell you that you didn't miss out on all that much. I mostly remember that Rick Sternbach was one of the judges and I was deathly concerned about trying to impress him.

The original contest page is long since gone, but I recall the specification stating it had to be smaller than the Enterprise-E as well, though I don't recall if there were other requirements. You can check out the announcement of the winner on this very board from almost twenty years ago. Check out the second post. The thread degenerates into argument about as fast as one would imagine. :rommie:

In hindsight, I think the design team knew generally that they wanted a Nebula to the Sovereign's Galaxy and were looking for who had the same idea and who could pull it off best.
 
The original contest page is long since gone, but I recall the specification stating it had to be smaller than the Enterprise-E as well, though I don't recall if there were other requirements.

The contest info was printed at the end of the first Titan novel, Taking Wing. TrekCollective has the whole brief online, along with renders of some of the runner-up designs made by another fan.

The Ship:
U.S.S. Titan, NCC-80102, Luna-class. The Titan is a midsize Starfleet vessel, approximately 450 meters in length (larger than the U.S.S. Voyager, smaller than the Enterprise-D), with a crew complement of 350. Titan's hull configuration is comparable to other established Starfleet vessels.

The Luna-class is Starfleet's newest-generation long-range explorer, a starship not built specifically for combat, but like the Constitution-class of the previous century, a vessel designed for a long-term multipurpose mission into uncharted space. Equipped with conventional tactical systems (deflector shields; phasers; quantum torpedoes), Titan also boasts state-of-the-art propulsion and cutting-edge scientific equipment, as well as being a testbed for experimental science tech not yet available on other classes.

The Titan is manned by the most varied multispecies crew in Starfleet history, with humans taking up less than 15% of the 350-member crew. The diversity of the crew is intended to facilitate stories that will explore the ways that beings of different cultures, biologies, psychologies, and physical appearances learn how to work together, or fail to, depending on the circumstances they encounter. Titan has eight shuttlecraft of various sizes.

The story behind the Luna-class:
The Luna-Class Development Project was initiated in 2369 in response to the discovery of the Bajoran wormhole, and originally conceived as leading a planned Starfleet wave of deep-space exploration in the Gamma Quadrant. The project was spearheaded by Dr. (Commander) Xin Ra-Havreii, a Starfleet theoretical engineer at Utopia Planitia. Field testing on the prototype U.S.S. Luna was under way by 2372 in the Alpha Quadrant, and construction of the fleet was scheduled to begin the following year. Unfortunately, contact with the Dominion and the subsequent outbreak of hostilities mothballed the project indefinitely, as Starfleet redirected its shipbuilding resources to the production of vessels better suited to combat.

Upon the war's end in late 2375, Dr. Ra-Havreii correctly judged that the Federation's cultural psychology would eventually shift back toward its pre-war ideals, and pushed to have the Luna-class revisited as a major step toward resuming Starfleet's mission of peaceful exploration (even though the class would no longer be assigned exclusively to the exploration of the Gamma Quadrant). Construction of an initial fleet of twelve Luna-class vessels was completed by 2379, and the Titan was offered to William T. Riker, one of many command officers eager to put the strife of the last decade behind him.

The judging criteria:
All designs will be judged by the Star Trek editorial staff at Pocket Books, together with Star Trek designers Doug Drexler, Michael Okuda, and Rick Sternbach; Associate Producer, Star Trek: Enterprise David Rossi; Senior Director of Licensed Publishing for Viacom Consumer Products Paula M. Block; and Manager of Licensed Publishing for Viacom Consumer Products John Van Citters, all of whom are fully qualified to apply the stated judging criteria. Entries will be judged on the basis of originality (25%), execution (25%), consistency with the U.S.S. Titan Concept Notes (25%), consistency with Star Trek Starfleet style (25%). The winning design will be published in an upcoming Star Trek: Titan novel, and will be used as the basis for cover art on the same book. The winning designer will be credited on the novel's copyright page. In the event that there is an insufficient number of submissions received that meet the minimum standards determined by the judges, the prize will not be awarded.[/uqote]
 
I love that the Sovereign Class and Akira Class are still going strong in the PIC era (~2400) I like to think that the Sovvie has taken over the role of the Excelsior Class as the robust workhorse of the fleet and maybe the Akira has just begun to be replaced by the Alita Class as of 2401 as we see a few of those in the fleet shots (but still 30 years is still a decent lifespan for a Starfleet Design!). Comparably, the Galaxy Class didn't last very long. The D was launched in 2364 so perhaps the namesake was finished around 2360, and the last time chronologically we see a Galaxy Class is in Voyager's Endgame c.2379 (i'm not counting the E-D 2.0!) so while the Galaxy may no longer be in mainline service, i'm happy that a few survived the Dominion War. The Sutherland and Ross Classes are fairly similar to the Galaxy and Nebula, however I think the designs are too different to be interpreted as modifications or Refits of those TNG era ships, otherwise the showrunners of PIC would have called them Galaxy Class Refit and Nebula Refit. Remarkably as of 2401 the Sovereign seems to be almost identical the one seen in First Contact. The ship was modified slightly for Nemesis but its unclear whether its that version seen in PIC. I also like to think that despite this class not being seen in DS9 and hence the Dominion War, I would assume there were at least a handful of Sovvies built and in service as the conflict began, just that they were present and fighting in other fleets we never saw. Its obvious the design was intended more towards tactical superiority than the D, so to assume none of the Sovereigns were utilised in the War is stupid ...imo. I'm aware that the E wasn't involved but I would argue that the TNG crew could have been seen as too valuable and experienced to risk in all out conflict - and a crew working under someone like Picard would be much better suited for diplomatic and perhaps even covert operations to establish as many allies as possible in case the war went south, but that is my head-canon talking and i've gone off-track! All in all I was very satisfied with the ships shown in PIC Season 3 and now I just want more of that!
 
It took what little I did like about the Galaxy class and covered it up with a bunch of crap tacked on. Sorta like the Enterprise-B......

I guess I just don't like ships with a bunch of crap stuck onto them....
I disagree! The AGT Galaxy Class was a fun addition to the final episode and that phaser cannon was crazy! It may not scream Star Trek though.. more like Team America "STARFLEET! F**K YEAH!" It was badass, and only present in a timeline that may have just been one of Q's fantasies and not a 'real' alternate timeline, so it doesn't bother me at all.
 
The Luna looks better than both of them.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

Other than the stipulation that the ship had to be ‘larger than Voyager, smaller than the Enterprise-D,’ literally any design could have been created for that ship. There was no need to make it look anything like what came before. As long as it had a saucer and some nacelles, that was all it needed to be recognized as a Starfleet vessel. I stand by what I wrote with my opinion of the winning design.

It is also my opinion that the original intent in Star Trek Nemesis was that the Titan would be even larger and more powerful than the Enterprise-E. I thought the whole point of naming the ship the ‘Titan’ was to evoke the powerful Greek Gods. Instead Pocket Books interpreted the name as one of Saturn’s moons.
 
The brief does state that "Titan's hull configuration is comparable to other established Starfleet vessels", which suggests they didn't want something too out there, and consequently there are only so many ways to rearrange a saucer and three cigars.

I think Sean's Titan is fine. It's a melange of familiar ships, but it's done well. I think it's more successful and unique than most of the now-canon STO ships.
 
I prefer some of the STO designs that weren't actually featured in Picard. The Chimaera Class for example is a unique and particularly eyecatching design with the bulky underslug engineering hull and double stacked nacelle config, and their TOS era ship designs are absolutely beautiful.
 
Comparably, the Galaxy Class didn't last very long. The D was launched in 2364 so perhaps the namesake was finished around 2360, and the last time chronologically we see a Galaxy Class is in Voyager's Endgame c.2379 (i'm not counting the E-D 2.0!) so while the Galaxy may no longer be in mainline service, i'm happy that a few survived the Dominion War.

The Enterprise-D was launched on October 4, 2363. The USS Galaxy herself was launched in 2357.

The last chronological reference to the Galaxy-class is in Nemesis in 2379, when the Galaxy and her registry number (NCC-70637) are clearly listed on screen as one of the ships scheduled to meet with the Enterprise-E before she gets ambushed in the Bassen Rift. VOY: "Endgame" is 2378.

Aside from the ill-fated Odyssey we do not see a single Galaxy-class ship destroyed in the Dominion War.

Just because we don't see any other active Galaxy-class ships in PIC doesn't mean there aren't any. We never see any California-class ships in TNG/DS9/VOY either but we now know they must have been there. The assimilated Frontier Day fleet is only around 300 ships, and Starfleet must have thousands. Remember that even the "ancient" Enterprise-D in PIC S3 is still younger than the original Enterprise was in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
 
The Enterprise-D was launched on October 4, 2363. The USS Galaxy herself was launched in 2357.
Is that the canon launch date of the Galaxy? Is it seen or mentioned onscreen anywhere?
The last chronological reference to the Galaxy-class is in Nemesis in 2379, when the Galaxy and her registry number (NCC-70637) are clearly listed on screen as one of the ships scheduled to meet with the Enterprise-E before she gets ambushed in the Bassen Rift. VOY: "Endgame" is 2378.
Ohh that's my bad.
Aside from the ill-fated Odyssey we do not see a single Galaxy-class ship destroyed in the Dominion War.
I didn't say they were all destroyed in the Dominion War, just that I was glad that a few did survive.
Remember that even the "ancient" Enterprise-D in PIC S3 is still younger than the original Enterprise was in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
Yes but Kirk's ship had undergone a major rebuild and there is no evidence this was done to the Galaxy Class. If there are still Galaxys are around in 2401, they would at least have to be extensively refurbished and updated internally and at least have some slight external modifications to keep up with the advance in Federation tech. And why keep the Galaxy Class around when the newer Ross Class exists, without the need for a resource costly "refit" to keep them in service, and the Odyssey likely suceeded the Galaxy Class, fulfilling the same mission profiles with greater efficiency. If on the off-chance there are updated Galaxys still in service, then I would actually be very excited to see them, as its my favourite Starfleet ship design!
 
My head-canon is that the Ross is a cheaper version of the Galaxy, after they realized the ships were so useful close to home they’d never go on those ten-year deep-range exploration missions they were designed for unless they had a version of the ship that was specifically meant for doing TNG-episode stuff. With the Ross-class around, the Galaxies could finally go out into deep space, where you’d never see them.
 
Tadeodoria.com has some great starship bridge renders of the Galaxy and other significant starship classes, they did a lot of custom commisions for roleplayers and gamers with updated Galaxy class bridges, but as of right now I think they have been taken off the website to be redone in a new format.
 
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