Color me unsurprised.
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I haven't seen any arguments that show that not only is Peltz a racist...but he is a BAD businessman. If he can't see that Black Panther is the # 3 US Marvel movie (US receipts) -- behind only No Way Home and AVengers Endgame (yet beating out Avengers Infinity Wars), and not seeing how much the Black COmmunity came out to support the movie (and many others).... they guy obviously has no nose for business, and that needs to be shared... there are many "conservatives" who will choose profit over racism (though are not multicultural themselves)
So, mindless entertainment built by committee without substance or depth. You enjoy it while you're in the theater but forget all about it once you've left the theater. Got it. Because once you remove politics, social issues and personal opinions, that's all you have left. One is Star Trek, the other is Lost in Space.
Also, art being political is hardly a recent thing. Once upon a time it was considered a good thing. Its only a an issue in these recent dark days because one side of the political spectrum has become so extreme, rigid and fragile in their narrow beliefs.
This thread is reminding me of when I went to see Black Adam.
After watching it a friend said "Thank god it wasn't political!"
I turned to him and was like
"Not political?! What the hell are you talking about? It's about an international coalition that appears to be mostly US based invading and taking over a middle eastern nation, imposing check points and controls on the population, and attempting to exploit the country for it's natural resources. The movie ends with an uprising against the occupiers and the main character rejects ruling as a king in favour of a democratic system. How the hell is that not political?"
"Well, it didn't have gender/race swapped characters or force in someone who is LGBTQ. That's political. That other stuff isn't."
After watching it a friend said "Thank god it wasn't political!"
I turned to him and was like
"Not political?! What the hell are you talking about? It's about an international coalition that appears to be mostly US based invading and taking over a middle eastern nation, imposing check points and controls on the population, and attempting to exploit the country for it's natural resources. The movie ends with an uprising against the occupiers and the main character rejects ruling as a king in favour of a democratic system. How the hell is that not political?"
"Well, it didn't have gender/race swapped characters or force in someone who is LGBTQ. That's political. That other stuff isn't."
There are more story elements that can make a good movie besides being about "politics, social issues and personal opinions". Glance at AFI's top 100 list and it's littered with 'em.
The aforementioned mindless entertainment I mentioned? Sorry, I prefer substance. I'd rather not have Michael Bay take over the Marvel Cinematic universe or Star Wars. And I would wager many of those entries on that list are more political than you realize.
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Unbelievable and unsurprising at the same time. Sounds like certain people in this thread.
TNGs policy of no conflict was far more heavy handed.
Recently watched the original Point Break. It is still an entertaining movie.
Lots of good entertainment without coming across as an after school special.
Why does it have to be mindless? Where do you get that binary conclusion of Politics = Substance only?
But... but multiple lead characters in the film are race-swapped. Black Adam, Hawkman, and Cyclone are all traditionally portrayed as white in the comics and played by black or biracial actors in the film, and Adrianna Tomaz is a comics character who's herself an ethnicity-swapped version of Andrea Thomas/Isis from 1970s TV. (Not to mention being an Arabic character played by an Iranian actress.)
Well I said politics, social issues and personal opinions which covers much more than a "binary" spectrum, but thank you for picking and choosing my words. Any heroes journey of worth will deal with these things on some level. Also, I don't consider things like all black casts or all female casts or LGBT inclusion to be "political" in any conceivable realistic way shape or form. Indeed, it was the previous lack of inclusion of such that was the actual political agenda. And let's be honest here, these are the "politics" we're talking about in this instance here. Nelson Peltz has said it himself with words that came out of his own mouth.
Yeah, but nobody made a big deal about them in any circles he is apart of so he didn't know, and therefore didn't know he wasn't supposed to like it because it was "woke".
I just didn't want to type the rest. It still applies. Can you honestly not name a single movie with substance that lacks "politics, social issues and personal opinions"? I can name hundreds without even using google. So long as we're not stretching the terms and squinting at things like "Ah-ha! Look how political Toy Story is, with Woody obviously representing America before the cold war while...".
I mean, with Toy Story 2 there is an argument to be made for reaching back to the "glory days."
You’re basically targeting a demographic that might or might not show up at the theater. And then you have to hope for overlap. It’s a tough call from purely an economic point of view.
You can make it even more simple. Why did Elvis make more money covering people of color music than the originals? Why did Eminem make so much more money than his cohorts singing the same type of music?
Of course, there is the Whitney Houston outlier of her cover of a Dolly Parton song.
It shouldn’t be this way. But the numbers don’t lie.
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Well, it was just an off the cuff comment but, perhaps I should have said personal growth instead of personal opinion, which was more to my intent. But you have your "gotcha" moment.
You want movies where the characters have no personal growth? I'm sure I'm misunderstanding you there.
I'd just like to add that Michael Bay films are very political.
Aside from almost all of them being very pro-military (a pre-requisite for technical support from the US military), just Armageddon alone had NASA turn to blue collar workers (feeding the scientific elites vs. common person narrative) in order to save the world, those workers picking never having to pay taxes again for the rest of their lives as their rewards (because nobody is a patriot when it comes to taxes), and at the end when *spoilers* one of the people had to stay behind to detonate the explosives and destroy the asteroid, the Russian was the only volunteer, but STILL they picked straws, because God forbid the world is saved by a non-American.
And that's not even talking about films like 13 Hours or Ambulance.
Bay's films are very political. It's just taking stances that those complaining about politics in entertainment tend to agree with.
Aside from almost all of them being very pro-military (a pre-requisite for technical support from the US military), just Armageddon alone had NASA turn to blue collar workers (feeding the scientific elites vs. common person narrative) in order to save the world, those workers picking never having to pay taxes again for the rest of their lives as their rewards (because nobody is a patriot when it comes to taxes), and at the end when *spoilers* one of the people had to stay behind to detonate the explosives and destroy the asteroid, the Russian was the only volunteer, but STILL they picked straws, because God forbid the world is saved by a non-American.
And that's not even talking about films like 13 Hours or Ambulance.
Bay's films are very political. It's just taking stances that those complaining about politics in entertainment tend to agree with.