Spoilers ALL of season 2 online NOW in French!!
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French Janeway is all kinds of wrong. That woman needs to sound like she smokes 3 packs a day or it's NOT Kathryn Janeway.
Also Harry Kim NOT appearing is utterly amazing, since he was denied a cameo in Picard season 3 because, according to the showrunner, the character was the property of Prodigy.
Mulgrew stopped smoking a long time ago. But her voice hadn't changed that much over time.
The french voice actress did a decent job I think. She's not Mulgrew though so there will be differences.
Then I would consider it like this:
Tell your friend to be more considerate of your feelings and not divulge what has happened in the future.
If you hadn't said that to them, then they made an honest mistake, but if you have, then they were a bit insensitive, but it's possible they got excited and wanted to share it with you so you can talk about it (which is also understandable, but you'd have to let them know to remember not to say anything in the future).
I had no idea that Kim is a property of prodigy.
I thought all Trek characters were intrinsically the property of paramount.
Though one of the reasons I recall for that would be because the Picard writers didn't want to step on prodigy storytelling, otherwise Kim I think was supposed to make a cameo in Picard - but I think that was also the reason why Janeway was mentioned in Picard in name only but not shown.
As for prodigy not showing Kim... my guess is that the season 2 story just wasn't written with him in mind (and to be fair, no other members of the original voy cast made an appearance beyond Janeway, chakotay and the doctor in season 2). Back in season 1 of prodigy, chakotay only got a few lines for mayday.
I think Mulgrew said she wanted to get the whole cast of voy to appear on prodigy at some point, so if the show is renewed for season 3 and beyond, it's likely that Kim, Torres, Paris, Neelix and Seven will make an appearance eventually.
I thought all Trek characters were intrinsically the property of paramount.
Though one of the reasons I recall for that would be because the Picard writers didn't want to step on prodigy storytelling, otherwise Kim I think was supposed to make a cameo in Picard - but I think that was also the reason why Janeway was mentioned in Picard in name only but not shown.
As for prodigy not showing Kim... my guess is that the season 2 story just wasn't written with him in mind (and to be fair, no other members of the original voy cast made an appearance beyond Janeway, chakotay and the doctor in season 2). Back in season 1 of prodigy, chakotay only got a few lines for mayday.
I think Mulgrew said she wanted to get the whole cast of voy to appear on prodigy at some point, so if the show is renewed for season 3 and beyond, it's likely that Kim, Torres, Paris, Neelix and Seven will make an appearance eventually.
stop it
It doesn’t even say “Season 2 Coming soon” on Netflix like it usually does for series. It’s very frustrating. And to those who said I’m butthurt or I’m whining, you bet your ass I am!
This is from Garrett Wang himself: https://screenrant.com/star-trek-harry-kim-cut-picard-role-bigger/
And once again, Harry is denied a canonical promotion. The best way to top this off is if he does have a cameo in Lower Decks, but is still an Ensign.
Imo, it's become such a big fandom joke, they probably should keep him an Ensign.
Very interesting.
This may imply we will get a season 3 of Prodigy and Kim might/should make an appearance at some point there.
If that is their plan, I guess they might be 're-introducing' the original VOY cast slowly and in stages (which is actually really good way of doing it instead of getting them all together at once).
I suspect that part of the reason Kim didn't make an appearance in S2 is because the story for that was already done, so they were planning on introducing him in Season 3 most likely - but then Paramount decided to drop Prodigy, so now things took an unexpected turn, and the show was picked up by Netflix instead - and seemingly has no restrictions on who publishes it.
The fact that people who don't understand French are watching the show to see what happens in S2 is actually encouraging... it means there is a good and continuing interest in Prodigy (which was demonstrated when the show was 'saved' by fans it seems).
I wouldn't go that far.
In Pic S3 I think he was supposed to be a Commander by then (probably on the threshold of being promoted to Captain).
He was a Captain in Endgame... and since that was 26 years AFTER 2378 and away for 4 years onboard the USS Rhode Island exploring, it means in the Endgame timeline he was promoted by 2400 to a rank of Captain - in the prime timeline, if he's not a Captain by 2400, its probably because things did change somewhat (but they only INTENDED for Kim to be a rank of Commander by s3 of PIC... it hadn't been canonized, so its likely they left this open).
But now that Pic S3 didn't end up featuring him, its possible that Prodigy will in fact put him back on track and give him a (well overdue) promotion (if the show is picked up for future seasons).
He should probably have a rank of Liutenant Commander or be promoted to that rank in Prodigy.
Also, some people in SF don't seem to end up being promoted that quickly. We saw that Picard in TNG when Q gave him a chance to change his outcome ended up being a Liutenant for a VERY long time instead of a captain.
I will agree that Kim was a bit of victim of circumstances in the DQ, but Kim also wasn't really vocal about being promoted until about Season 7 of the show ('Nightingale' episode).
He would probably be a Lt., but Janeway did say he was maybe thinking a bit highly of him if he thought he'd be a Lt. Cmmdr. - it would mean that progressing to Lt. and Lt. Cmmdr would probably take a longer period of time, but it also depends on what Kim's priorities are.
We don't know if he wants to progress through the ranks that much or quickly. Maybe things have changed since he got back from the DQ earlier than he did in Endgame.
Not at all. Riker was a full Commander and XO of the flag ship seven years after he graduated, and he had already turned down one promotion to Captain. Harry could easily have been a Lt. Commander by the seventh season had he been in the Alpha Quadrant, and that's before you factor in that during that time period the Federation was fighting a war in which heavy losses in Starfleet would have created plenty of advancement opportunities.
They continued production so it wasn't taxes as they'd still be paying for it.
Grrrrr...
Well, truth be told I wasn't expecting otherwise. The teaser was that one VOY character and one non-VOY character were slated to return in S2, and we'd already seen the Doctor.
Some of them, anyway. Certainly Kim, if he was sufficiently tethered to PRO that he couldn't show up in PIC. However, given the network switch, S3 is a big "if".
If they were going to do that, it should have happened when the LD bunch themselves were still ensigns. With all the LD crew now at LTJG, it doesn't make as much sense.
And in any case, LD has actually done a decent job at promoting its characters. Not perfect, mind you: Boimler and Livik should have gotten LTJG billets instead of being unceremoniously demoted back to ensign for no reason. But if they support the notion of the seven-year ensign, why did they promote anyone at all?
Maybe, but not everyone advances in SF at the same rate.
For one thing, Harry was in the science division and wore a yellow uniform (they seem to not necessarily advance very quickly - Data had a same rank for a very long time).
Kim as I said didn't even fully vocalise his desire for advancement until Season 7 'Nightingale'... although he WAS starting to finally get out of his 'green ensign' phase around year 4 (Riker was a lot more driven individual and on the Command track to start with - so there's that - they aren't the same).
But as I said, he was a victim of circumstances. Maybe if he was in the AQ he would have advanced past the Ensign stage around years 4 or 5 under his belt, but he did have that sexual escapade and disregarded regulations (Janeway was not only furious with Kim, but she was also heavily disappointed - she also put this into his record - that probably set back his advancement on VOY itself).
While the show's future is undecided, I think we have a little more reason now to be optimistic. After all, the show WAS allowed to air S2 (which means the fans were successful in doing that much - and there's obviously interest in the show so that non French folk watch it just to see what happens), so if its successful (and there's a possibility it will be), then we could get S3 and more VOY characters (Kim Included) - I mean, the fact PIC showrunners said that he was tied to PRO tells me that he is slated to make an appearance (and the premise the show will be picked up).
When Tom Paris appeared on LD he was still a Lieutenant - though this was before they were all promoted.
We also don't know how long Boimler was an Ensign in SF before we see him on the Cerritos... Rutherford's background is slightly fuzzier still.
We know Tendi was a new transfer, but I don't think she was fresh out of the academy, was she?
Then again, these were different circumstances than the one Kim found himself in.
Had he not had that sexual escapade in Season 5 episode'The Disease', he probably would have been promoted - I am thinking that was the main 'in universe' reason he didn't get promoted for so long, and the fact he didn't really 'push' himself until about Season 4 episode 'Deamon' (when Paris noticed that Kim was starting to seem less green).
Department head experience means promotion.
There's no excuse.
There's no excuse.
Kim slept with an alien and ignored a whole slew of regulations. Janeway treated it as a serious breach of SF protocol (which she made absolutely clear and the situation was delicate at best given how untrustworthy some of the Varro were).
That is a perfectly valid excuse and a 'stain' on someone's record that could hinder their advancement.
Kim was lucky she didn't kick him off Bridge duty.
In fairness, while I get that he should have been promoted a year or so after that... in 'Nightingale' he (again) meddled in an alien conflict and then became complicit by commanding that ship and returning it to the planet where it could be used to turn the tide of the war (granted, Janeway did authorize it, so she's just as complicit in this breach of protocol as Kim was)... but hey, authorizing this little thing for Kim didn't mean he'd be deserving of promotion - plus, it was discovered that Kim and Seven were helping the enemy and by this extent Janeway was blamed too (I guess the crew were lucky they only got a stern warning and were ushered out of their space with no further incident).
People like to say how Kim got the raw end of the deal, and while I sympathize, he's lack of promotion (in-universe) DOES make partial sense when you consider all the stuff he did.
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