Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

Well, it's currently making money. Lower Decks did it, Prodigy did it, Picard Season 3 did it.

Regardless of overrated status, the evidence of making money, appeal to popularity, fan want approach is showing Paramount easy money.

 

[BillJ]

Well, it's currently making money. Lower Decks did it, Prodigy did it, Picard Season 3 did it.

Are they though? Paramount+ seems to be struggling at the moment.

 

[fireproof78]

Are they though? Paramount+ seems to be struggling at the moment.

Every streamer is.

So they'll go with apparent wins and ad populism.

 

[evilchumlee]

SNW and TOS ship are the same design in-universe (so far, that could change). But yeah the the TMP Refit referred to as essentially a new ship by Decker.

They are not. Even in the new Trek era, the TOS Constitution-Class has very much been recognized as something that absolutely existed.

Pike's Enterprise absolutely DOES get a refit into the TOS-style Enterprise. It's weird. But that's what happens.

(Or at least close to it. The exterior of is 100% confirmed. Interior stuff could still be stylized... we mostly get that Prodigy and Lower Decks, so accounting for the translation from animation to live action, things might not look 100% TOSy inside.)

Yep. At this point Legacy just sounds like the most predictable series ever. We'll get 10 episodes filled to the brim with fan wank.

Episode 1: The Q Episode

Episode 2: The DS9 Episode

Episode 3: The Voyager Reunion

Episode 4: Family Visit (insert Picard, Crusher, or LaForge)

Episode 5: Time Travel!

Episode 6: Riker shows up

Episode 7: Klingon Episode

Episode 8: Captain Shaw Flashback Episode

Episode 9: Avengers rip off. Everyone shows up. Part 1

Episode 10: Avengers rip off. Everyone shows up. Part 2 plus Q

Hell yeah.

You just made a show better than most anything else produced in this new era of Trek.

 

[HotRod]

They are not.

They very much are meant to be the same.

Pike's Enterprise absolutely DOES get a refit into the TOS-style Enterprise. It's weird. But that's what happens.

Do you work for the show?

By your logic, the ship goes from looking like it did in Discovery, to looking like it does in The Cage, to going back to the Discovery/Strange New Worlds look, before looking like it did in The Original Series.

or

The series is simply presented in a different/modern aesthetic.

You just made a show better than most anything else produced in this new era of Trek.

No. God no.

 

[Tuskin38]

By your logic, the ship goes from looking like it did in Discovery, to looking like it does in The Cage,

Other way around, Discovery S2 is after the Cage.

So it would go from The Cage to DSC/SNW to TOS

Edit: Oh right, I forgot about the Short Trek set before The Cage.

They are not. Even in the new Trek era, the TOS Constitution-Class has very much been recognized as something that absolutely existed.

Different producers/art teams have different ideas. It's not evidence that they're not the same design.

Until they actually show it being refit into the TOS design, I'm treating it as the same ship just updated to modern aesthetics.

 

[Firebird]

You just made a show better than most anything else produced in this new era of Trek.

A collection of memberberries does not a good season of television make.

 

[Tuskin38]

More Terry stuff. According to him, the Studio didn't like the first draft of Season 2 because it was too Sci-Fi and Too Trek

https://trekmovie.com/2024/03/09/pi...er-paramount-deemed-it-too-star-trek-says-ep/

Season 2's was a mess because there were a lot of re-writes.

“There were Romulans—there was a whole thing. The idea was that Guinan’s bar was presented as a normal bar in Los Angeles, but if you knew the right thing to do, you could go into the back through the telephone phone booth and that was Rick’s Café and it was a stopping point for all these different species that were actually there on Earth with a ‘Do not interfere’ thing happening. So you had a lot more Star Trek happening in the backdrop of it. Ultimately, the powers that be at that time were like, ‘This is too much.’ But there were some really good ideas there that were pretty cool.”

There was a scene cut from Season 2 that explained were Jurati's collective was. They were small and just stayed out of History's way until they caught up to Pic Season 2.

There was a line cut from Season 3 that explained where they were during the events of Season 3:

"We did have a line on the Enterprise-D from Riker—when he talks about the Borg transwarp conduit at Jupiter and that the one that Jurati was guarding was a distraction, the Queen’s way of saying, “Go over here.”… We had a whole thing about it. But when we got to the cut, it was just like this big exposition dump that was like, nobody cares. His son is on board, Starfleet is assimilated. There’s this giant thing and now we are retrofitting and explaining the Jurati Borg.”

They also discussed having Jurati's borg show up to help save the day at the end of Season 3, but felt it would have took away what the Titan and the Ent-D were doing. Along with also being expensive.


There's a lot more in there then what I posted, just high lights.

 

[Campe]

Brining in Borgati would have actually helped make more connective tissue between the seasons. I would have been more than okay with having that. Wouldn’t have saved season 3 for me but might have helped a bit.

 

[fireproof78]

Brining in Borgati would have actually helped make more connective tissue between the seasons. I would have been more than okay with having that. Wouldn’t have saved season 3 for me but might have helped a bit.

Definitely. Have some shit actually matter.

 

[Firebird]

Anyone else noticing a running theme from Matalas in these after-the-fact interviews: He keeps bringing up these scenes that would've clarified the plot or brought better continuity through the series... but strangely they were all cut? If these scenes existed then, why would you cut them when they would be important?

Then again, I don't think anything about season 2 of Picard was worth saving, regardless of being screwed by the network or the pandemic. It is consistent with an interview with Evan Evagora I recently listened to where he said the season suffered because of "too many cooks."

 

[FederationHistorian]

More Terry stuff. According to him, the Studio didn't like the first draft of Season 2 because it was too Sci-Fi and Too Trek

https://trekmovie.com/2024/03/09/pi...er-paramount-deemed-it-too-star-trek-says-ep/

Season 2's was a mess because there were a lot of re-writes.



There was a scene cut from Season 2 that explained were Jurati's collective was. They were small and just stayed out of History's way until they caught up to Pic Season 2.

There was a line cut from Season 3 that explained where they were during the events of Season 3:


They also discussed having Jurati's borg show up to help save the day at the end of Season 3, but felt it would have took away what the Titan and the Ent-D were doing. Along with also being expensive.


There's a lot more in there then what I posted, just high lights.

It was probably a good thing that idea around Guinan’s bar was cut. That sounds like it could be its own spinoff series, with Rios, Agent Wells/Ducane, and Renee Picard also being involved.

However, that bit of exposition about the transwarp corridor the Jurati Borg were guarding would have been to the show’s benefit. It helps connects all of the seasons together, gives viewers a reason to watch/rewatch S2, and resolves that lingering thread from S2 all at once.

 

[Tuskin38]

If these scenes existed then, why would you cut them when they would be important?

He gave reasons

 

[Tosk]

"...I think you can kind of feel when you watch season 2 that there’s a lot of different ideas here.” - Terry Matalas.

That might be the biggest understatement I've seen in a while.
Also, "there's a lot of different ideas here" is a very sugar-coated way to describe the shit-show of season 2.
I don't expect him to come out and say it obviously, but I can still laugh at the attempt to minimize the problems.

 

[cooleddie74]

Season 2 was the worst season of any Star Trek series since 1988.

And that's saying something.

 

[donners22]

I'd take Picard S2 over most Trek seasons. The pacing was way off and the story never really came together, but that's hardly new for Trek - the Berman era was littered with filler and never managed long-term storytelling well (Voyager abandoned/ignored its concept, the TCW never went anywhere and the Dominion War went off the rails).

I'm always a bit cynical of "our story was too Trek/sci-fi for the execs" lines, especially in this setting and with the context of all the Legacy self-promotion. It's very self-serving.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Considering UPN wanted different contemporary pop music acts playing on the Enterprise every episode for "Enterprise", nothing surprises me at all about execs being scared of too much sci-fi.

 

[Gaith]

No offense, but this sounds exactly like the bs that the producers of The Man In the High Castle said about their nonsensical final scene of the series finale; that they ‘left it to the audience’s imagination’ as to what was going on, when it was blatantly obvious that they had no freaking clue what the final scene meant. I call shenanigans on you, Terry.

Hey, I like that scene. Yes, it made no sense, but after four almost unrelentingly (appropriately) grim seasons, a bit of poetic catharsis felt just right - to me, at least.

 

[fireproof78]

Anyone else noticing a running theme from Matalas in these after-the-fact interviews: He keeps bringing up these scenes that would've clarified the plot or brought better continuity through the series... but strangely they were all cut? If these scenes existed then, why would you cut them when they would be important?

It's very frustrating, especially when it feels more important, gets brought up and then gets met with a shrug and "Well, didn't happen. Imagine if it did, though."

 

[Dukhat]

It was probably a good thing that idea around Guinan’s bar was cut. That sounds like it could be its own spinoff series, with Rios

I would like to see Rios again, but not in those circumstances. He was hands-down the best character in PIC and they killed him off in Trip Tucker-level-stupid fashion.

Agent Wells/Ducane

Agent Wells and Ducane are not the same person.

and Renee Picard also being involved.

No thanks. It’s bad enough that NASA let someone with clear psychological problems command a mission to Europa. I don’t need to see a series about her. She was pretty forgettable anyway.