the Trill culture. they're supposed to let go of past relationships, correct?

[urrutiap]

The Trill culture along with the symbiote creatures, they're all supposed to let go of the past or forget about past relationships yada yada?

yet who's in control when it involves Jadzia? Jadzia herself, the symbiote creature or the Curzon Dax personality?

in episodes you see Jadzia for no reason where she gets involved in wild stuff like the albino Klingdon and reliving the glory days of old fart Klingons that only Curzon was in cahoots with

Sisko was the worst one since he still wanted Curzon the fun guy to be around etc.

 

[Kor]

Other relationships such as friendships, diplomatic connections, presumably business, etc., seemed to be just fine. The taboo is specifically on past romantic relationships. Though from what we actually saw, it seems much more stringent when it comes to both parties being joined Trill so that the symbionts were involved in the past relationships. Odan being fixated on Beverly through multiple hosts, and Ezri hooking up with Worf, apparently weren't as big of a deal. It's true that the whole Odan story could be considered "early installment weirdness," but it has to be rationalized somehow in the overall context of what we learned about Trill society later on.

Michael Piller's idea of this taboo was to prevent joined Trill from creating an elite and exclusive aristocratic/dynastic/hereditary class of their own kind, or something like that. So it would make sense for there to be some lenience with relationships involving off-worlders.

Kor

 

[kkt]

Also Ezri and Worf's hookup happened in the Gamma Quadrant, and what happens in the Gamma Quadrant stays in the Gamma Quadrant! There was nobody who knew about it who would be likely to complain to the Symbiosis Commission.

 

[urrutiap]

what about Curzon's past with those Klingons where they had a grudge against that albino Klingon or whatever. Jadzia got dragged into that because of the symbiote still having the influence of Curzon.

Like I said, who was really in charge, Jadzia or the symbiote yada yada? Me personally I don't think that Jadzia herself should have been dragged into that crap with the Klingons.

 

[kkt]

A trill who had been banished from Trill for reassociation could have been an interesting recurring character on DS9, among the other outcasts and misfits.

 

[UssGlenn]

Though from what we actually saw, it seems much more stringent when it comes to both parties being joined Trill so that the symbionts were involved in the past relationships.

Exactly, the taboo is two symbiotes continuing a relationship. If the partner is unjoined the situation resolves itself in about a century, in most cases.

 

[Christopher]

yet who's in control when it involves Jadzia? Jadzia herself, the symbiote creature or the Curzon Dax personality?

When you make a strawberry-banana smoothie, which fruit is responsible for the taste? When you mix yellow and blue paints, which one makes it green? The whole point of a blending is that they become one. There is no distinction between symbiont, host, and past hosts; they're merged into a single unified personality.

And the others are right. "Rejoined" doesn't say you have to give up all previous relationships. Bashir says that "a relationship with a lover from a past life" is taboo. He also says "the symbiont has to learn to let go of the past, let go of parents, siblings, children, even spouses." But it wouldn't be practical to completely avoid everyone you'd ever known, so I suppose it's only meant to apply to intimate relationships, lovers or family.

 

[urrutiap]

BS.

Curzon is the one that had the friendship with Sisko and that wacky warrior friendship he had with those Klingons that had a beef against that albino Klingon o whatever. yet

Jadzia ends up the one that continues the stupid crap for no reason. Even when JADZIA is at the station Sisko still calls her "Old Man" which I think its dumb.

When you make a strawberry-banana smoothie, which fruit is responsible for the taste? When you mix yellow and blue paints, which one makes it green? The whole point of a blending is that they become one. There is no distinction between symbiont, host, and past hosts; they're merged into a single unified personality.

And the others are right. "Rejoined" doesn't say you have to give up all previous relationships. Bashir says that "a relationship with a lover from a past life" is taboo. He also says "the symbiont has to learn to let go of the past, let go of parents, siblings, children, even spouses." But it wouldn't be practical to completely avoid everyone you'd ever known, so I suppose it's only meant to apply to intimate relationships, lovers or family.

 

[Oddish]

I think it's ridiculous that they think they really could stop a symbiont from getting a new host, given the number of rejected candidates (like Verad) out there.

 

[aquova]

I think for Jadzia the rule was kept for the most part. Yes, she carried over some of the interests in Klingon culture from Curzon, but I think that is to be expected. Her career was largely distinct from his, and although they both knew Sisko, that was a bit of a coincidence and their dynamic was pretty dissimilar.

Ezri though... yeah I think she pretty badly broke the taboo and never really considered it. She went and got a job at her old workplace then began fraternizing with two of her former friends, including her former husband. I think those stuffy Trill would've ostracized her if they had found out.

 

[Oddish]

Ezri though... yeah I think she pretty badly broke the taboo and never really considered it. She went and got a job at her old workplace then began fraternizing with two of her former friends, including her former husband. I think those stuffy Trill would've ostracized her if they had found out.

Some of that might be that Ezri was not trained properly as a host, so she broke a few taboos.

 

[at Quark's]

Also Ezri and Worf's hookup happened in the Gamma Quadrant, and what happens in the Gamma Quadrant stays in the Gamma Quadrant! There was nobody who knew about it who would be likely to complain to the Symbiosis Commission.

Well, Weyoun might have tried that tack after conventional torture techniques for information had failed.

Weyoun: "You know, the Breen recorded you both before they took you captive. I'm sure your homeworld would be very interested in those images. "
Ezri: "You... you... you... you MONSTER!
<sighs>
OK, the ultra secret login code to our Federation tactical deployment database is zero-one-two-three-four-five-six-seven-eight-nine."

 

[Oddish]

OK, the ultra secret login code to our Federation tactical deployment database is zero-one-two-three-four-five-six-seven-eight-nine."

WEYOUN: "What a coincidence, I have the same combination on my luggage!"

 

[Moviefan2k4]

WEYOUN: "What a coincidence, I have the same combination on my luggage!"

I'm not a big Mel Brooks fan, but "Spaceballs" is a classic.

 

[Oddish]

I'm not a big Mel Brooks fan, but "Spaceballs" is a classic.

Best story of the movie is that when Mel Brooks approached George Lucas and asked permission, Lucas loved the idea. Only condition he set was no Spaceballs merchandise could be created. Mel Brooks, being Mel Brooks, turned that rule into the movie's longest running gag.

Regarding DS9 and Trill taboos, I think that it's one of the few things that never quite fit, given that one, if a shunned symbiont wants a new host it can probably find one among the rejected candidates. And two, if the object of the game is for the symbiont to have different experiences and different lives... why let Ezri come back to DS9 at all? And why let her romance a man Jadzia was close to, even if no actual shagging occured?

 

[kkt]

Even shagging may be allowed, as long as it's not a long-term relationship like marriage. That would explain why Ezri never had to explain herself regarding Worf.

 

[Oddish]

So dating Bashir was arguably worse than shagging Worf, in terms of returning to a past host's life.

 

[urrutiap]

I still have a problem with Jadzia acting like Curzon just to continue that wild friendship with Sisko and to rejoin the old fogey Klingson just to continue their quest to find that albino klingon. For what exactly?

Now i understand why the other Trills have rules about past relationships etc Either start fresh or else just don't waste everyone's time joining with a parasitic symbiot that was swimming around in cave water

 

[kkt]

So dating Bashir was arguably worse than shagging Worf, in terms of returning to a past host's life.

I must have missed the episode in which Jadzia regarded Julian as anything more than a friend.

 

[Oddish]

I must have missed the episode in which Jadzia regarded Julian as anything more than a friend.

She had a close relationship with him in both hosts. One relationship was platonic, the other was not.