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Every time I hear the name 'Mulroney' I think of this. :lol:

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About the only thing he seemed able to do was host some entertainment thing. The daughter went into provincial politics in Ontario.

There aren't many PMs left from that era. I guess Joe Clark will be the next to go, unless Chretien goes first.
 

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The "boooo" part accidentally got added to the end of the URL, which is what caused the link not to work. I've fixed that, so the link should now give you the intended article.

It's more to do with Australia than it is with us, but I guess it's tangentially relevant because Meta has pulled the same kind of garbage with us after the federal government passed the Online News Act, by banning news on their platform for Canadian users. At the time, I thought I remember pundits saying that Meta should be able to come to an agreement here, because they did in Australia when they passed a similar piece of legislation. Turns out they're going to instead take their Canadian tactics and impose them on Australia.
 
The "boooo" part accidentally got added to the end of the URL, which is what caused the link not to work. I've fixed that, so the link should now give you the intended article.

It's more to do with Australia than it is with us, but I guess it's tangentially relevant because Meta has pulled the same kind of garbage with us after the federal government passed the Online News Act, by banning news on their platform for Canadian users. At the time, I thought I remember pundits saying that Meta should be able to come to an agreement here, because they did in Australia when they passed a similar piece of legislation. Turns out they're going to instead take their Canadian tactics and impose them on Australia.
Thanks.

I belong to several political groups on FB and read and post on some of the UCP pages. It's maddening how Danielle Smith and Pierre Poilievre's sycophants can post the most outrageous bullshit and it's impossible to debunk it with links to reputable news sources.

And then there's the issue of explaining to the Americans and UK posters in other groups that Canadians aren't allowed to post or read news links on FB, so I have no idea what their news links are about if they don't post anything else. Some have the notion that oh, of course we're not allowed to read news, like it's some normal Canadian thing. :rolleyes:

There are workarounds. But FB finds them and then they don't work until someone figures out another one.
 
No matter one’s opinion of Mulroney, he was among the most consequential prime ministers in Canadian history. His legacy is, at best, mixed (the good/bad ratio is, of course, variable across the country). He’s currently getting the “soft treatment” nearly all deceased leaders get in the immediate aftermath of their demise but it won’t last too long. It will be maintained for a while as he looks good relative to Poilievre (sp?) but, on balance, while he’ll always rank as consequential, I’d wager he’ll not be ranked in a top five list all time. As for a state funeral, pretty standard fare for a PM who served as long as he did.
 
No matter one’s opinion of Mulroney, he was among the most consequential prime ministers in Canadian history. His legacy is, at best, mixed (the good/bad ratio is, of course, variable across the country). He’s currently getting the “soft treatment” nearly all deceased leaders get in the immediate aftermath of their demise but it won’t last too long. It will be maintained for a while as he looks good relative to Poilievre (sp?) but, on balance, while he’ll always rank as consequential, I’d wager he’ll not be ranked in a top five list all time. As for a state funeral, pretty standard fare for a PM who served as long as he did.
The same can be said of numerous PMs who you don't ordinarily think of having done anything of great consequence. Paul Martin, for instance. The same-sex marriage law was brought in during his mandate.

Mulroney, of course, will forever be remembered for the GST. I still remember a joke Nicky Fordinski told (he was a character in a bunch of car commercials here in the west) at a rally against the tax. If I remember it correctly, Nicky was talking to a bunch of people in Saskatchewan, which had a 5% provincial tax. I'm not sure how much the GST added to that after harmonization happened. But anyway, he often included a woman named "Nelly" in his jokes (his wife): "So me and my wife Nelly, we go to the store to buy diapers for the baby. The sales clerk tells her, "That's $10, $10.50 with tax." I say, "Oh, we don't need no tacks. Nelly, she gonna use safety pins!"

The GST became known by a number of nicknames: Government-Sanctioned Theft, and the SCA came up with one my dad liked: Goats & Swine Tax. I even had to explain the GST to a customer service agent in the U.S. (don't remember if it was Arkansas or some other place where people speak with a twang). The agent (after managing to wrap her head around the fact that Alberta isn't a city in a state, it's a Canadian province) said that since I'm Canadian, could I explain to her what G.S.T. was? There were Canadians complaining about being charged for it even when buying needlepoint magazine subscriptions and patterns from a U.S. magazine. So I explained it to her and said, "You should tell them that this isn't really your company's fault. If they want to be angry about it, they should complain to our own federal government for demanding that we pay this tax even on things we buy from other countries." She thanked me and we got my original issue taken care of.

Mulroney will indeed get the kid-glove treatment while the mourning period is going on, and state funerals for PMs is standard. Campbell will get one, as well, even though her time in office was kind of a blink-and-you-miss-it before she had to call an election. I've always been curious as to how she would have fared as a Prime Minister with a full mandate, and not someone who won the booby prize of trying to clean up after Mulroney's dirty political laundry.

Afterward, things should get interesting. I have a biography of Mulroney called On the Take. It talks about said dirty political laundry. Mulroney should have been grateful to have "Right Honourable" in front of his name. Even mere MPs aren't immune from prison.

Let's see, what else were my impressions of him over the years... I can't stand "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling" anymore. Haven't since the "Shamrock Summit." Fast-forward a few decades, and it was rather stomach-turning to find out Mulroney was Trump's guest at Mar-a-Lago and he sang for Trump and his buddies.

Question Period was never boring during the Mulroney years. It was on during noon hour in this time zone, so my grandmother and I would watch it while we had our lunch.

Years later, when Chretien was PM, it came time for Mulroney's official portrait to be unveiled. Chretien's speech started out, "We are gaddered togedder 'ere to 'ang Brian Mulroney on Parliament 'ill." I was watching this live, and just about fell off my chair, because the startled expression on Mulroney's face was priceless!

(I'm not trying to mock Chretien's accent, it's just that I can't mentally hear his voice any other way)
 
The "boooo" part accidentally got added to the end of the URL, which is what caused the link not to work. I've fixed that, so the link should now give you the intended article.

It's more to do with Australia than it is with us, but I guess it's tangentially relevant because Meta has pulled the same kind of garbage with us after the federal government passed the Online News Act, by banning news on their platform for Canadian users. At the time, I thought I remember pundits saying that Meta should be able to come to an agreement here, because they did in Australia when they passed a similar piece of legislation. Turns out they're going to instead take their Canadian tactics and impose them on Australia.
I posted this in the wrong thread, it should been posted in the down under thread, but thankfully it appears there is a connection between the two countries, otherwise this would be awkward
 
It's more to do with Australia than it is with us, but I guess it's tangentially relevant because Meta has pulled the same kind of garbage with us after the federal government passed the Online News Act, by banning news on their platform for Canadian users. At the time, I thought I remember pundits saying that Meta should be able to come to an agreement here, because they did in Australia when they passed a similar piece of legislation. Turns out they're going to instead take their Canadian tactics and impose them on Australia.


Here's a good article about Meta and the Online News Act and how it's been affecting the media. Smaller organizations, such as Village Media are absolutely feeling the effects of Meta's decisions. Some smaller organizations didn't have websites perse, but relied on Facebook to be their hub. It's not hard to see how Facebook would have been a good way of garnering traffic in an increasingly 'social' landscape. But Meta had to be bullish about it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...berg-and-trudeau-batters-canada-media-outlets
 
You have to create an account to read it :mad:

Anyway, America wants to do something similar. They want to pass KOSA which is going to be a problem for a lot of people
 
Here's a good article about Meta and the Online News Act and how it's been affecting the media. Smaller organizations, such as Village Media are absolutely feeling the effects of Meta's decisions. Some smaller organizations didn't have websites perse, but relied on Facebook to be their hub. It's not hard to see how Facebook would have been a good way of garnering traffic in an increasingly 'social' landscape. But Meta had to be bullish about it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...berg-and-trudeau-batters-canada-media-outlets

As @Fantasy Lover mentioned, it looks like you need to register to read this. But don’t worry, I’m no fan of Meta even from before this, and you don’t need to convince me that they’re awful. ;)

Anyway, America wants to do something similar. They want to pass KOSA which is going to be a problem for a lot of people

We just introduced our own Online Harms Act into Parliament last week. Although there are some provisions specifically about children, it’s also intended to tackle online hate more generally.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-table-online-harms-legislation-1.7126080

Of course, Republicans being Republicans, the GOP co-sponsor of KOSA has indicated that part of its intent is to “protect” children from certain racial and LGBTQ+ content, which certainly wouldn’t be the case for the Liberals’ OHA. The challenge will be to make sure it is worded in such a way so that the Conservatives couldn’t twist it to that kind of meaning when/if they form government at some point in the future.
 
We just introduced our own Online Harms Act into Parliament last week. Although there are some provisions specifically about children, it’s also intended to tackle online hate more generally.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-table-online-harms-legislation-1.7126080

Of course, Republicans being Republicans, the GOP co-sponsor of KOSA has indicated that part of its intent is to “protect” children from certain racial and LGBTQ+ content, which certainly wouldn’t be the case for the Liberals’ OHA. The challenge will be to make sure it is worded in such a way so that the Conservatives couldn’t twist it to that kind of meaning when/if they form government at some point in the future.

I wonder anyone has pointed out the pierre pissant about what his conservative brethren in the U.S are doing given he trottted out the "censorship" line in relation to the online harm bill, just as he did about the bill to make scumbook & co pay for the media content they distribute.

Oh and he also claims the natioanl pharmacare plan is a waste of time so people better not become too attached to it (same for those moving on the new dental care program).
 
I wonder anyone has pointed out the pierre pissant about what his conservative brethren in the U.S are doing given he trottted out the "censorship" line in relation to the online harm bill, just as he did about the bill to make scumbook & co pay for the media content they distribute.

Oh and he also claims the natioanl pharmacare plan is a waste of time so people better not become too attached to it (same for those moving on the new dental care program).
He'll need a majority to attempt to reverse those programmes. Despite current polling, I'm not sure he can pick one up. Just a completely unscientific, gut feeling, but I think if the Conservatives win at all, it'll be a minority--not sure the country is willing to give Pierre full reins just yet.
 
He'll need a majority to attempt to reverse those programmes. Despite current polling, I'm not sure he can pick one up. Just a completely unscientific, gut feeling, but I think if the Conservatives win at all, it'll be a minority--not sure the country is willing to give Pierre full reins just yet.

Polling has of course been wrong before... but he's so far ahead right now, that I do tend to think if the election were held right now, he would get a majority.

Our only saving grace is that at the moment, the election is so far away, so there's more time for people to listen to what he says, and realize they don't like what they hear. (Unfortunately there does seem to be a (growing?) segment of the population that does like what they hear.) But I'm hoping that more of the more centrist conservatives realize that he's farther right than they're willing to go. (I do suspect he will manage to siphon a lot of the PPC vote, though.)

I still think that the Liberals' best chance is for Trudeau to retire. The best time to do that was before now, but the second best is right now. If he waits too long, he's putting the new leader at a disadvantage. But most likely, through hubris or whatever it is, he will stick to his plan of leading the party in the next election, not realizing (or not caring) that he's in generally the same position now, that Harper was in in 2015.
 
American actors who are not named Meryl Streep do tend to suck at accents.

The reverse is often NOT true, though. For example both of the American characters in NCIS: Sydney are played by British actors! You'd never guess.
 
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