Madame Web, go-go Marvel Fatigue!

[JD]

OK. While the fact that she didn't get a funeral scene is a legitimate complaint, although it's not one I agree with, the notion that her death was "barely acknowledged" or that there wasn't any "remembrance", or that it was done just to motivate the men, is utter nonsense.

Immediately after the fact, we have that scene set at the lake where the surviving OG are processing what happened. We see pretty much all of the six stages of grief expressed in that meeting. It would be nice if they had time to group hug and schedule appointments with their therapists, but the clock is ticking. The universe is at stake. If Natasha herself were there, I'm sure she would start off her reply to this scene with, "If you boys are done gazing into each other's eyes..."

Then there was the aforementioned scene between Clint and Wanda at the funeral, not only acknowledging Natasha's death again, but Vision's as well.

Then, yet again, when Banner admits that he tried to bring her back with his snap but failed.

And this thought that her death was done just to motivate the men or that she was simply "fridged" shows a complete lack of understanding of, and utterly belittles, Natasha's sacrifice, her heroism and her story arc as a whole. This is the woman who once believed that she had so much red in her ledger that she would never make up for it sacrificing herself to save not only her best friend, but no less than half of the bloody universe itself. "To motivate the men..." Yeesh.

I was going to write a post about Natasha's death and how it was treated, but @Turtletrekker just said pretty much what I was going to say, so..... what he said.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Um... If this character/movie was to continue, casting an able bodied lady as a paraplegic would be problematic and lead to mass protests and riots?

Or was the plan always to dump Johnson and replace her with a nearly 60 year old actress with legitimate needs of a wheel chair?

Sony is cold.

 

[Skipper]

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One of the (many) criticisms of this film concerns the villain. Apart from not wanting to be killed by the protagonists of the film, it is not clear why he is, in fact, the "bad guy".

Considering that one of the most criticized aspects of the MCU is the quality of its villains, it is remarkable how Madam Web has managed to lower the bar in this sector too.

 

[Set Harth]

We didn't have a funeral for Vision either.

I'm not planning a funeral for my microwave either.

 

[Jayson1]

Vision was a living being. More than just a microwave.

 

[Tallguy]

I'm not planning a funeral for my microwave either.

Vision was a living being. More than just a microwave.

But is he the true Ship of Theseus?

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

So "fridging" has become like "Mary Sue" I see. Where people don't understand the definition and use it to simply say "I don't like x".

 

[Jayson1]

So "fridging" has become like "Mary Sue" I see. Where people don't understand the definition and use it to simply say "I don't like x".

You could almost say that about any label or at least modern day label at this point. Not that I would go with the angle that people don't understand so much as people have different interpretations of what they are suppose to mean or even what they have evolved to mean from what they originally meant.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

You could almost say that about any label or at least modern day label at this point. Not that I would go with the angle that people don't understand so much as people have different interpretations of what they are suppose to mean or even what they have evolved to mean from what they originally meant.

Well, if you let them get away with it, sure.

 

[the G-man]

Is there any reason (legal rights, etc.) why Sony didnt just do a "Spider-woman" movie? Even if it wasn't faithful to the source material, it's still a better known character and arguably Dakota Johnson even looks a bit like Jessica Drew. The red jacket isn't even that different than one of the recent comic book costumes. The name recognition might have pulled in a few ticket goers.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Vision was a living being. More than just a microwave.

Uh, the proper term is "Toaster".

 

[Skipper]

Is there any reason (legal rights, etc.) why Sony didnt just do a "Spider-woman" movie? Even if it wasn't faithful to the source material, it's still a better known character and arguably Dakota Johnson even looks a bit like Jessica Drew. The red jacket isn't even that different than one of the recent comic book costumes. The name recognition might have pulled in a few ticket goers.

Excellent question.

 

[Jayson1]

Is there any reason (legal rights, etc.) why Sony didnt just do a "Spider-woman" movie? Even if it wasn't faithful to the source material, it's still a better known character and arguably Dakota Johnson even looks a bit like Jessica Drew. The red jacket isn't even that different than one of the recent comic book costumes. The name recognition might have pulled in a few ticket goers.

The own the rights to Spider-man and I think they want more Tom Holland Spider-Man movies and after that you then got Miles Morales and the day they use him in a live action movie and I think they are going to so a Spider-Gwen movie at some point. Plus more Venom movies.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You could almost say that about any label or at least modern day label at this point. Not that I would go with the angle that people don't understand so much as people have different interpretations of what they are suppose to mean or even what they have evolved to mean from what they originally meant.

Kyle's girlfriend Alex was folded into a peculiar shape by Major Force and inserted into a Fridge, and left as an exhibit on display to break the fresh Green Lantern, who instead doubled down and cowboyed up, and eventually (years later) cut Major Forces immortal anti-highlander screaming head off his body and kicked it into space, never to be seen or heard from again

Alex was going to be twice the Iris West, that Iris West ever was on the Flash TV Show, the senior partner in this dynamic duo, until her unfortunate accident, and then Poochie had to lean how not to be a putz all by himself, a level of competence he barely rose to intermittently during his tenure as the last Green Lantern in the Universe, after that maniac Hal Jordan went through the Corps like a thresher, with a crooked smile.

Alex had to die so that Kyle would grow up, and there was no other way that that could have ever happened because she was an infantalizing force for mediocrity, who was never going to walk away from all that power.

 

[JoseNoodles]

The Sony Spider-verse live action character films have been a disaster across the board from the start. I think Venom was their most successful film and even it do all that well.

Everything else live has just been an unmitigated disaster.

The only thing they found success with was the Miles Morales Spider-Verse animated films.

There's a weird cynicism to these films like, "Hey, we're making a Spiderman Cinematic Universe without Spiderman. You idiots will watch it."

 

[Guy Gardener]

There's a weird cynicism to these films like, "Hey, we're making a Spiderman Cinematic Universe without Spiderman. You idiots will watch it."

If they don't make a new movie ever 5 years, they lose the IP.

They make their "real" money off the Spider-Man video Games?

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Is there any reason (legal rights, etc.) why Sony didnt just do a "Spider-woman" movie? Even if it wasn't faithful to the source material, it's still a better known character and arguably Dakota Johnson even looks a bit like Jessica Drew. The red jacket isn't even that different than one of the recent comic book costumes. The name recognition might have pulled in a few ticket goers.

For that matter, it is still beyond me why they're not at least hiring people to work on a Spider-Girl movie. I mean, the May Day Parker version would fit perfectly as a continuation of the Raimi trilogy (and Maguire-Peter's even been injured in NWH, giving an opening on why he retired from hero-ing). It would be something new, still hit that nostalgia/legacy-sequel beat, and Kirsten Dunst said she felt left out of NWH, anyway, so we know she's up to it. Get Raimi as producer to pick a young film maker, and they'd have as close to a sure thing as these Spider-Man-less Spidey movies can get.

Of course, Sony suits are currently blaming the Madame Web failure on a disinterest in female-led superhero movies, so there's little chance of that happening any time soon.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is there any reason (legal rights, etc.) why Sony didnt just do a "Spider-woman" movie? Even if it wasn't faithful to the source material, it's still a better known character and arguably Dakota Johnson even looks a bit like Jessica Drew. The red jacket isn't even that different than one of the recent comic book costumes. The name recognition might have pulled in a few ticket goers.

Two of the little annoying girls grow up to be a character called "Spider-Woman" but Dakota is too old to start a trilogy about a gymnastic kung fu lady. She is 34 right now, and that's cool, super young, but by movie 3 or 4 in a series of Spider-Woman movies they'll be asking a 44 year old woman to do back flips onto a concrete surface, and that could kill her.

Instead, they made a trilogy where Dakota is playing a character who will be 60 years old in 2030 and restricted to a wheel chair, so I think that she can pull that off.

 

[Jayson1]

Whatever they do they better wait because comic book movie fatigue has become a real thing. Unless your a big A-List character like Batman or Spider-Man you might not be making much money. If I was Sony I would make the third Miles Morales cartoon movie. Make a deal with Marvel so they can make another Tom Holland Spiderman movie. Another Venom movie. Cast Emma Stone as Spider-Gwen movie. A live action Sider-Man tv limted series focused on the Nick Cage ,Philip Marlowe version of Spider-Man. A tv-limited series based around J.Jonah Jameson. A Sinister Six movie. Then live action Miles Morales movie. A Black Cat spin-off movie since we would first see her as one of the Sinister Six.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Whatever they do they better wait because comic book movie fatigue has become a real thing. Unless your a big A-List character like Batman or Spider-Man you might not be making much money. If I was Sony I would make the third Miles Morales cartoon movie. Make a deal with Marvel so they can make another Tom Holland Spiderman movie. Another Venom movie. Cast Emma Stone as Spider-Gwen movie. A live action Sider-Man tv limted series focused on the Nick Cage ,Philip Marlowe version of Spider-Man. A tv-limited series based around J.Jonah Jameson. A Sinister Six movie. Then live action Miles Morales movie. A Black Cat spin-off movie since we would first see her as one of the Sinister Six.

How about give Ned a movie where he is a Vampire?