Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread
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I can't remember where to find it, but another tweet I saw, in response to the same attack on Sazama, said that just getting a half-dozen films actually made and released at all was a success story. As I mentioned before, as many as 98 to 99% of movie scripts don't even get filmed.
It happens all the time. It's a collaborative process, and good and bad suggestions can come from any level of the collaboration. But we don't hear about it when things work smoothly, only when they go wrong and we want to find someone to blame for it. So that creates the impression that bad executive meddling is more the norm than it is. The same way you'd get the impression from watching the news that plane crashes are more common than they are, because routine, safe flights aren't newsworthy.
Hasn't it only made like 6 million dollars so far?
15 million for the weekend according to IMDB.
That doesn't count it opening on Wednesday, it's roughly ~$25M Domestic ~$25M International $51M total
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1379697409
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1379697409
Silk?!?
Okay...um...I guess they are either radically changing her origin, OR she's not the same Silk that is pheremonally linked to Peter Parker in a way that makes them want to bone each other?
Sorry. I got lazy and guessed.
- Anya Corazon = Arayna.
- Mattie Franklin = Spider-Woman III (J Jonah Jameson's niece.)
- Julia Cornwall = Spider-Woman II (From Secret Wars 1984.)
Ohhh! So not the succubus spider-woman, the drug addict spider-woman, lol.
I checked out a long time ago with Spider-Man comics.
Last thing I read with a passion was Superior Spider-Man, which is back.
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The only thing I read with Mattie Franklin in it was Old Man Logan.
I haven't been able to keep up with any comics, really. Gotta make budge cut decisions somewhere. Cutting back on comics means I get to go on the Star Trek cruise this week, so....no competition, lol.
I absolutely didn't want to imply that the '94 cartoon was bad or anything. But it is 30 years old! There are people born after it and who have already had children. I doubt that Venom has entered the collective imagination like Spider-Man or Superman.
That's kind of a contradictory paragraph, given that Spider-Man is 63 years old and Superman is 86 years old. Like those characters, Venom has been adapted multiple times, in five animated Spider-Man series with guest appearances in several other Marvel animated series, as well as Spider-Man 3 and a large number of video games.
Anyway, I wasn't commenting on how famous Venom was. I was simply saying that, among that percentage of the general audience that did know about the character, it's reasonable to conclude that the '90s animated series was the most important work in establishing that knowledge, both in itself and in the way it influenced subsequent screen adaptations. Although in more direct terms, Spider-Man 3 was probably the primary source of exposure for the largest number of audience members.
Screenwriter Zack Stentz (Thor, X-Men: First Class, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles) weighs in on the Twitter discussion about Matt Sazama's credits:
https://twitter.com/MuseZack/status/1759455256734580938
"A surprisingly large number of quite bad movies began life as good scripts that got overdeveloped into sludge by the studio process. This is the main reason why writers with credits you don't like keep getting hired-the execs who hire them read their earlier, better drafts.
"You also have some writers who get work off of unproduced scripts that are widely loved. My old boss Josh Friedman sold a sci-fi spec called Orphan's Dawn back in the early 2000s that people loved. It's never been made but got him work for years & years.
"Also, yes, some screenwriters just suck and inexplicably keep working, usually because they're shrewd at navigating studio politics & ingratiating themselves to powerful people. But my point is that you can't really judge a writer's work from the finished films."
By the numbers...
1. Pretty woman dies briefly, gets a large dead zone.
2. Sexy ethnic badguy with smaller dead zone tries to kill his jailbait future murderers.
3. Pretty woman saves jailbait future murderers from sexy ethnic badguy with little dead zone.
4. Sexy Ethnic Bad Guy with little dead zone hunts pretty woman with big dead zone and jailbait future murderers.
5. Pretty woman with big dead zone and jailbait future murderers hide behind extremely pregnant woman.
6. Pretty woman with big dead zone goes to Peru to source her origin and abandon the jailbait future murderers for a week when they will almost definitely get murdered by the sexy ethnic guy with little dead zone.
7. Pretty woman with big dead zone arrives home to America just before jailbait future murderers are murdered by Sexy ethic guy with little dead zone, leading sexy ethnic guy with little dead zone into a series of Home Alone traps with her large dead zone, and sexy ethnic guy with his little dead zone dies.
8. Pretty woman with large dead zone looks at camera and says "We have no fate but what we make. " with zero irony. THE END.
2. Sexy ethnic badguy with smaller dead zone tries to kill his jailbait future murderers.
3. Pretty woman saves jailbait future murderers from sexy ethnic badguy with little dead zone.
4. Sexy Ethnic Bad Guy with little dead zone hunts pretty woman with big dead zone and jailbait future murderers.
5. Pretty woman with big dead zone and jailbait future murderers hide behind extremely pregnant woman.
6. Pretty woman with big dead zone goes to Peru to source her origin and abandon the jailbait future murderers for a week when they will almost definitely get murdered by the sexy ethnic guy with little dead zone.
7. Pretty woman with big dead zone arrives home to America just before jailbait future murderers are murdered by Sexy ethic guy with little dead zone, leading sexy ethnic guy with little dead zone into a series of Home Alone traps with her large dead zone, and sexy ethnic guy with his little dead zone dies.
8. Pretty woman with large dead zone looks at camera and says "We have no fate but what we make. " with zero irony. THE END.
I'm Dutch, and except for some a small number of very unknown shops, comics were not a big thing here when I was growing up in the 80's and 90's. A few main stream ones got Dutch translation, like a few Batmans and X-Men. I think maybe a few Spiderman's.
Anyway, trust me when I say that the 90's animated show was THE reason I and many like me got to know Venom and subsequently loved AND hated his apperance in Spider-Man 3. So yeah, you're totally on the money there.
Hell, the 90's animated show introduced me to many Spiderman characters. Rhino, Vulture, Kraven, the list goes on.
I've heard it alleged that Blade the Vampire Hunter's appearance in the '90s show was the reason the Wesley Snipes Blade movies got made, and the show apparently introduced the idea of Blade being half-vampire.
I was looking at the wiki page for the Blade movie and entertainingly one of the footnotes was to a Variety article about Marvel project development in 1992 and it's a fun "What If?" in retrospect. LL Cool J as Blade and Wesley Snipes as Black Panther just as a start.
https://variety.com/1992/film/news/marvel-characters-holding-attraction-for-filmmakers-101955/
So many of those could have been awesome. I love how confident they are in the James Cameron Spider-Man movie being made.