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Season 2 required to watch or skip it?
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Skip. I saw a quantity of season 2 when it came out. Didn't both when season 3 came out, and after rewatching the premiere of S3 again, it definitely starts out in a way that feels like it's detaching the new season from the old.
Glad they kept Michelle Hurd. Like or dislike the plotting and dialogue of the earlier seasons, it doesn't matter - she's utterly fantastic in this show as Raffi and not needing to see seasons 1 or 2 or remembering them is crucial to how her return is introduced in 3; the exposition is deftly handled to remind what's needed.
I might check those out next. It was bold to try a sequel that wasn't full-TNG, though was Picard himself enough to have carried enough of the show? Or enough if the other new characters weren't as interesting? I liked Laris... Or if the new ideas adding into the lore were strong enough?
One thing I remember is the android body shtick and how unevenly it was handled afterward, as if they were stuck with an idea they weren't sure of (despite behind the scenes reasons needing something) and yet they couldn't even get Q to snap his fingers (which might be a tad easy).
Season 3 fanwanky... A few scenes do go in that direction (e.g. the use of the 1701-D at the bar), but the 90s movies were far more blatant about it. So far, S3 stands up own its own. Something I didn't expect to hold up in a proper rewatch.
Don't forget a out of character not-Guinan as well.
Season 2 spoilers follow:
Yeah, not-Guinan from season 2, complete with "I Dream of Jeannie" bottle to allegedly summon Q with, was a bit of a letdown... and not because she took a sip of the booze within said bottle, which I doubt anyone was expecting. What, liquid's in there? Does that mean we were expecting Q to be swimming down in there, and next to -why not - the Tidybowl Man?
(Is this where that tickytocky thing about eatin' the borax came from?! Sigh...)
Now there's a fun tangent or two...
But VOY made similar missteps (IMHO, YMMV) when having Janeway and crew visit the Q Continuum, via the desert and other locations as allegory. Didn't think those were the greatest moments in VOY either...
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I really did actually like the first Q episode on "Voyager" and felt like it was a very interesting story about assisted suicide and had some good humor such as seeing Riker,a hippie and Issac Newton and felt seeing the Q Continuum done in away so humans could conceive it was nice.
They ruined him though in the next two episodes. The Civil War thing was just kind of lame and while it's nice that DeLancie was able to do something good for his son, a Q episode without much real Q in it just doesn't work..
They ruined him though in the next two episodes. The Civil War thing was just kind of lame and while it's nice that DeLancie was able to do something good for his son, a Q episode without much real Q in it just doesn't work..
Yes she was out of character, but there's an in-universe reason why.
This isn't the same Guinan we saw in TNG, so not really.
She never met Picard, and she never saw that Humanity would get out the gutters.
People are shaped by their experiences, this Guinan didn't have the same ones we know.
And I'm still not quite sure how that worked.
Because that version of Picard never existed.
The problem is Guinan is old enough to realize some of the bad stuff happening is nothing compared to stuff she has seen in the past. Plus if she lost hope in humanity why would she hang around so long and why would she want to be a bartender for 400 years or so when she can do other things. I assumed the reason she ran 10-forward was because it was simply a place to listen to people and see the universe and re-connect with Picard. Not that she would want that kind of job for centuries.
Yes, but I still don't understand how traveling to 2024 before the timeline changed would have changed Guinan meeting Picard in 1893.
But it did already change, they came from the Confederacy's future.
Picard and Co. interfering is what sets time back to the Federation. They altered the future.
But the timeline hadn't changed yet to create that future. That only happened because Q sabotaged the Europa mission. Prior to that, it should still have been the original prime timeline.
Butterflies go forwards and backwards.
Did it go forwards and backwards during ST:FC? Did it go forwards and backwards any other time someone time traveled?
Sounds like a non-answer to me.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure Matalas either forgot or just outright ignored Time's Arrow. The whole "this is part of the Confederation timeline" doesn't match up with Punk on the Bus remembering his encounter with Kirk and Spock in TVH.
Pretty much this. You can't have POTB remember what happened in 1986, and not have Guinan remember what happened in 1893.
He's too much of a TNG geek to forget that.
That was just an easter egg. They even admitted it doesn't make sense.
LOL. It made more sense than Guinan not remembering Picard.
It didn't.
In the changed timeline, there was no Time's Arrow. Confederacy Picard didn't go back in time to save Confederacy Data and meet Guinan. Even by traveling back in time to before the change happened, he was still traveling from a timeline where the Confederacy was going to and destined to happen.
Bringing up a joke easter egg as proof that this couldn't happen puts more narrative power on a joke meant for the audience than the entirety of the main story, which is backwards,
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