They also featured the Borg. There's a reason TPTB went to that well so often. They brought eyeballs. Real ones, not cybernetically enhanced eyeballs.
Voyager's low ratings...?
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Obviously more people were leaving than joining because of Seven. If Seven had "saved the show" as berman and Braga often stated, then the ratings would have skyrocketed and continued to be on top for the rest of the series.
A friend of mine, who actually was more into TOS than the other series but still followed the other series with some interest said to me that "they must be in real trouble when they bring in that character", obviously referring to Seven with the catsuit.
As for me, I left when Kes was dumped.
About two years later, I changed my mind and started to watch the series again. Big mistake, since I had to rent VHS tapes with the episodes I had missed which cost me a lot of money and the only reward I got for that was a slap in the face by a certain episode at the end of season six.
So I left for good, only watching Endgame which also was a big mistake because it was so bad.
But I still like seasons 1, 2 and 3. Quite entertaining.
Well, I wouldn't go so far to call them losers if they don't have the money.
But I wouldn't spend the money on a streaming channel who all of a sudden stops to air a series and then instead recommend you to watch some crap which you wouldn't watch at gunpoint instead.
In the early 2000s I spent 25 a month for more than 2 years, so that I could watch 1 episode of early installments of Stargate a week on cable.
But first I spent 20 years sourcing second hand VHS tapes of almost all of Voyager, DS9, Babylon 5 and Buffy, and almost to the moment I accomplished that undertaking, my video player died, well after the entire world had stopped making new video players, so I was flummoxed.
After being burned like that, I was not brave enough to invest in dvds or buray, because it was a lot of money on shows I had already seen many many times, that I had eventually put into the garbage pail out front my house on trash day 10 cassettes at a time, until they were all gone, so I'm one of those losers I was talking about.
What I did next?
I converted all the episodes into stage plays, and I pay the small hungry children of the village a shiny nickle each to perform and re-perform my favourite episodes under a tarp in the back yard, for my delight.
1. Berman wanted Seven of Nine to be a dude. The Network forced him otherwise.
2. Jeri is not that hot.
3. Seven of Nine is a victim of the Borg, frightened and broken somehow trying to rebuild a human life, even though every time she talks to some potential friend, she can't help but say "I am Borg" which is a not so clever code for "I will eventually murder all of you" which just hilariously creates fear and panic.
4. Is there a new space ship show that you like? Have you tried the Ark? It's cheaply made euro trash, but every episode ends on a cliff hanger so you are always on the edge of your seat, because our heroes are almost certainly going to bite it every week, even more so than last week.
( I was thinking of "New" more than "good" when I pulled the Ark out of my but.)
Although new and good, and cancelled is Avenue 5.
OH LOOK! It's Neelix out of makeup, doing gay stuff. Sweet!
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Honestly, I don't belive in that "stage plays" story.I spent 25 a month for more than 2 years, so that I could watch 1 episode of early installment of Stargate a week on cable.
I spent 20 years sourcing second hand VHS tapes of almost all of Voyager, DS9, Babylon 5 and Buffy, and almost to the moment I accomplished that undertaking, my video player died, and the entire world had stopped making new video players some time earlier so I was flummoxed.
After being burned like that, I was not brave enough to invest in dvds or buray, because it was a lot of money on shows I had already seen many many times, that I had eventually put into the garbage pail out front my house on trash day 10 cassettes at a time, until they were all gone, so I'm one of those losers I was talking about.
What I did?
I converted all the episodes into stage plays, and I pay the small hungry children of the village a shiny nickle each to perform and re-perform my favourite episodes under a tarp in the back yard, for my delight.
1. Berman wanted Seven of Nine to be a dude. The Network forced him otherwise.
2. Jeri is not that hot.
3. Seven of Nine is a victim of the Borg, frightened and broken somehow trying to rebuild a human life, even though every time she talks to some potential friend, she can't help but say "I am Borg" which is a not so clever code for "I will eventually murder all of you" which just hilariously creates fear and panic.
4. Is there a new space ship show that you like? Have you tried the Ark? It's cheaply made euro trash, but every episode ends on a cliff hanger so you are always on the edge of your seat, because our heroes are almost certainly going to bite it every week, even more so than last week.
( I was thinking of "New" more than "good" when I pulled the Ark out of my but.)
Although new and good, and cancelled is Avenue 5.
OH LOOK! It's Neelix out of makeup, doing gay stuff. Sweet!
As for new space ship shows, The only decent show I've watched after Stargate Atlantis ended was The Orville.
OK, I haven't found a way to watch Star Trek Strange New Worlds yet so I can't comment on that one. From a distance it att least looks like a decent try to come up with something which at least has some resemblance to TOS.
As for The Ark, I haven't heard of it before you mentioned it here so I did a quick look at what it was about on Wikipedia.
As soon as I saw the synopsis about "A hundred years in the future, a spacecraft known as Ark One is shuttling a complement of would-be colonists away from a devastated Earth to a new home, Proxima b" I gave up on that one. Just that kind of 2020's doom-and-gloom scenarios which I do everything to avoid. Too much such crap on TV and in movies now.
In that case I rather prefer to watch TOS, TNG, DS9 annd the first three seasons of Voyager over and over and over and over again.
Yeah, that franchise that said humanity must endure a WW3 and post atomic horror is definitely optimistic always...
I think Voyager suffered the most from writers who didn't seem really married to the pilot's original premise. For a crew stranded in a remote part of the galaxy, they seemed to do pretty well in terms of material needs and emotional stress (for the most part). Most writers seemed to want to do stuff more in line with what TNG was doing, more self contained stories and a lesser focus on the situation of the ship being far away from home.
One of the few things I think that Star Trek could have avoided.
But at least it wasn't rammed down or throats in each and every episode, just a sorry and unnecessary background to some of it.
To some of it? First Contact makes it clear the result is Cochrane using a missle from that conflict to create the warp drive for humanity and ends up making Vulcsns make contact..
The foundation of Trek is that humanity survives WW3 and manages to grow. That is what adversity does to humans is prompt growth, change, perhaps even an evolution.
It's not doom and gloom to acknowledge a foundational aspect of humanity.
In that case I can agree.
Star Trek is about a civilisation which has overcome internal feuds, starvation and problems and is now a good society where people live a good life and explore space. That's much better than the doom-and gloom scenarios in most 2020's series and movies where the Earth is devastated or will be devastated and all of humanity seem to be a bunch of losers.
However, I stil, think they could have left out the WWIII scenario since there is a big risk that such an event would only left an empty, destroyed and radioactive world.
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A humanity that is survives is hardly losers.
That was very much the reality that Roddenberry believe humanity would face. His optimism was that humanity would survive, and grow, not just evolved past these ills. They still had the struggles, to build each other up through shared goals and working together despite differences.
To review that challenge is to go for stagnation.
As I wrote in another post: Stagnation is better than changes to the worst.
Star Trek could have done fine without such a dystopian backstory.
Which is not what Trek has presented, especially in TOS, so wholesale rejection of this "doom and gloom" scenario is interesting because it rejects what brought Star Trek to the future it has.
So, you have to take the good with the bad and develop a tolerance of the struggle of humanity, or face disappointment at every turn.
I must state that what Trek has presented in recent years hasn't increased its popularity.
I do!
Otherwise there will be no more movies, series or books.
I just hope that future movies, series or books will be better than what we have had to endure the recent years.
There's enough to consume now. It's not needed.
Great if it's popular but our lives won't substantially change if not produced.
Also, endure? If a thing isn't entertaining I don't watch. I don't labor through it. No entertainment should be a drudgery. That's why I stopped watching several Trek series. It wasn't fun.
So it goes here.
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Well, as a Star Trek fan I must say that life would change if Trek things are no longer produced.
Life would be even more boring without that entertainment and I would have to look for old Trek books sold for horrible prices on Ebay and similar places. Not to mention how difficult it could be to replace the constant damaged DVD.s.
But I agree with you when it comes to the newer Trek series. I don't watch them.
I would never watch something I don't like, not even if it's Star Trek. It has happened many many times in recent years that i have quit watching a series after three or four episodes or quit watching a movie after 20 minutes because I found it horrible.
As it is now, I don't follow any series.
I do watch some series on re-run because they are decent, even if I've seen some of the episodes before and I also watch NCIS occasionally. The stories are still good even if the new characters sucks.
Happy Space Ship Show?
First episode, Totally legal on Youtube.
First episode, Totally legal on Youtube.
How?
I stopped watching TNG, VOY and ENT. I read TOS books, rewatched episodes on VHS and wrote fan fiction.
Somehow, inexplicably it seems, my love of the franchise continued, despite not really consuming the productions at the time.
If the worst thing that happens to me is life is boring ill take it. My life is never boring right now and I'd take boring in a heart beat.
I would prefer something between, something that is neither doom-and-gloom, nor some silly comedy.
Something like TOS, TNG, DS9 and the first three seasons of Voyager.
As for comedies, I like many of them especially "Married With Children".
But what if TOS books are no longer available, you have compability problems with VHS players and new TV:s and Star Trek DVD:s are no longer available due to Star Trek not being popular anymore?
You must always expect the unexpected and have a "Plan B".
As for me, I must find time to write more stories and at least finish 3-4 stories which are half-written.
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