Would it be controversial if I said that Kirk's fate in 'Generations' was kind of dumb and some timeline needs to bring him back.
Shatner's Kirk, let's see it, again.
Shatner's Kirk, let's see it, again.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I always thought his final fate was dumb. I'm not totally onboard with what Picard Season 3 did either (S31 having Kirk's body), but it did make me want to see Shatner's Kirk again. Plus, it'll piss off whoever's against it. So, to quote Kirk in Generations, "Sounds like fun!"
But it would have to happen in something that's not Kurtzman Trek. William Shatner's not too fond of them and I don't think they have a problem with that. So that bridge is unfortunately burned. Unless Terry can extend that Olive Branch.
@Lord Garth, none of us is getting any younger and Shatner is not a young man anymore.
While William Shatner is still with us, now is the time to do something if someone wants to bring back the original Kirk.
While William Shatner is still with us, now is the time to do something if someone wants to bring back the original Kirk.
Then people who want Shatner's Kirk back better learn to like Terry Trek, because that's where it's most likely to happen.
Just laying it out there. Crow isn't that bad.
Yeah, that was just awful. I enjoyed P S1 more than most it seems, but I almost stopped watching the show entirely after that scene. I just hate gratuitous violence. That scene had no place in Star Trek whatsoever.
Yeah, it's a deeply unsettling episode. It just ends. It's closer to the nihilism that newer Trek is accused of being than new Trek actually is.
Do a cold open of a Kelvinverse version of The Deadly Years for the first 15 minutes and have Shatner solve the problem before being cured. Not just a cameo, saves the day as the hero, and gets it done upfront so the rest of the story is unencumbered. Easy peasy.
Well, I don't hate it.
There are even deleted Q scenes on the Blu-ray. More Q should have been a no brainer, especially as a lot of padding was needed. Also reshoot the scene in "Penance" where Q is very angry with Picard, which was likely a cut off plot branch.
Raffi making stupid decisions because the plot demands it is the literal starting point for the whole season going off the rails.
Because originally Confederation Laris was supposed to travel back to the past with Picard and gang, but executive interference nixed it. Maybe the opening credits regular contract was already signed though, and they had to improvise?
I mean, saving existence itself would be pretty overwhelming. Focusing on a single death would make sense.
Not saying perfectly, but, well, Raffi's decision making is the least of my questions.
So, which one will come out first: the next Star Trek movie or The Winds of Winter?
TV Movies don't count.
TV Movies don't count.
A Star Trek movie. I don’t know in what form, but I would bet money on it versus The Winds of Winter. Paramount will probably, at the very least, want a film released for the 60th anniversary.
Also, I truly believe Martin is stuck, has been stuck, and part of the reason he has been doing all of these side projects is that he doesn’t really like any of the options he has to untangle the “Meereenese Knot” for the story, since there’s a LOT of converging plot lines left up in the air, as well as trying to do that given the framing device he uses of things being told from a specific character’s POV.
I also wonder if, even beyond those story issues, the reaction to the later seasons of Game of Thrones on HBO has given Martin some pause and made him rethink some things about how he wants to finish the story.
Way back in the day I wasn't going to give the book series a try until each installment had already been published. I think I saved myself some grief on that one.
I'd say a new Star Trek film is twice as likely to come out first vs WoW.
I've re-watched it. I liked it (as we know), but it's still my least favorite season of the three. I noticed some things that make the season make more sense, but I didn't catch them until re-watch and I thought they should've put more focus on those.
What am I talking about? Renee Picard makes a discovery on Saturn that allows for Earth to eventually solve its pollution problem. If she's prevented from making their discovery, Earth becomes more polluted and Adam Soong invents biodomes that keep Earth's atmosphere intact (without an Ozone) but doesn't stop pollution.
How that leads to Earth becoming a Dictatorship, I don't know. But, then again, look at the news. "I'll be dictator for one day!" One of those things that I wish couldn't happen, but here we are: a proverbial coin-toss away from it.
Yeah, I re-watched it before S3. And if anything I think it got worse and just increased my dislike for it.
It was a show that easily could have been done in a 2-2 1/2hr movie instead. There are at least 2 episodes they could have combined into one or just eliminated altogether.
Ryan and Hurd have zero chemistry. Especially not as lovers, they are more like bickering siblings.
The Picard and his mom subplot is depressing and a real hinky retcon (yes I know TNG never explicitly said she died by her own hand at a young age)
Everything with Laris/Talin feels like it was added last minute because the character was popular. The love subplot with her and Picard is just atrocious.
And don’t get me started on the Soongs…
There are some good things, like nu-Guinan, the last interactions between Picard and Q, the new Stargazer and making the NX-01 refit canon.
but the rest..bah. Maybe the worst season of nu-Trek. Or at least in the running with Disco S1-2.
Individual scenes are still fun (the return of the Bus Punk, for example) but man, it doesn't get any better for me if I watch entire episodes. Even the season finale which is far and away the best of the year and easily so is marred by knowing what preceded it.
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