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News WB/Paramount merger talks

So the two companies that kind of started the whole taking series off streaming platforms for tax write offs might be joining forces. What can go wrong.

In a positive note, having the Stanley Cup Final on CBS would be interesting.
 
What's really amusing about this is what it would mean in Canada, where the Canadian Paramount+ outlet just acquired the streaming rights for the Trek shows that had previously been held by Crave. But since Crave has a deal with Max to stream all their content in Canada, should this merger happen, I guess Crave would end up reacquiring all the Trek shows?
 
I can just hear Ted Allen's voice introducing a 'special episode of Chopped featuring four legendary starship captains. They mastered the Unknown but can they handle the anomalies waiting in our baskets?'
 
I don't think this would be bad for Trek, as shitty as WarnerDiscovery has become. One thing you have to say for WB is they're not willing to abandon their tentpole IPs, with a complete reboot of the DCU, House of the Dragon resurrecting Game of Thrones, and new variations on Lord of The Rings and Harry Potter on the way.

Indeed, I think Star Trek is - far and away - the biggest single asset in the Paramount toolshed at the moment, in terms of IP, with the Mission Impossible and Transformers movie series having pretty much been exhausted. Trek at least went out on a high not with Beyond in the theater, and hasn't laid a box office egg in a generation.
 
Assuming the suits have figured out the problem is overly large budgets, and that the potential box office maxes out at a certain point, then if they make 100 million dollar Trek Movies they can consistently make money. Think about how good SNW looks at 8 million for an hour. What could the TV production crew do with 2 hours and 50 million dollars?
 
eschaton said:
I don't think this would be bad for Trek, as shitty as WarnerDiscovery has become. One thing you have to say for WB is they're not willing to abandon their tentpole IPs, with a complete reboot of the DCU, House of the Dragon resurrecting Game of Thrones, and new variations on Lord of The Rings and Harry Potter on the way.

Indeed, I think Star Trek is - far and away - the biggest single asset in the Paramount toolshed at the moment, in terms of IP, with the Mission Impossible and Transformers movie series having pretty much been exhausted. Trek at least went out on a high not with Beyond in the theater, and hasn't laid a box office egg in a generation.
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Beyond underperformed financially - or did you mean qualitatively?
 
eschaton said:
It underperformed, but it wasn't an outright bomb. Grossed $343.5 million. Production budget was $185 million. Even presuming the marketing budget was like $100 million, it still turned a profit - far more of one than any DCEU movie recently.
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That's not how it works.
Half of the box office revenue goes to the cinema (In China the studios only get 25% of the box office revenue).
A movie needs to make 2.5 to 3 times its production budget just to break even.
And when a movie breaks even and barely makes a profit, the movie is still considered to underperform because it means the movie has a low ROI.

With a budget of $185 million, it needed to make at least $462.5 just to break even.
Star Trek Beyond was a box office bomb.
 
Char Kais said:
That's not how it works.
Half of the box office revenue goes to the cinema (In China the studios only get 25% of the box office revenue).
A movie needs to make 2.5 to 3 times its production budget just to break even.
And when a movie breaks even and barely makes a profit, the movie is still considered to underperform because it means the movie has a low ROI.

With a budget of $185 million, it needed to make at least $462.5 just to break even.
Star Trek Beyond was a box office bomb.
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Looking online, industry analysts projected it needed to get between $340 and $350 million in sales to break even, which is pretty much exactly where it ended up.

Regardless, every one of the major studios seems to have lost money on net at the box office this year, save for unievrsal (which lucked out producing Super Mario Brothers, Oppenheimer, and Five Nights at Freddy's).

Given every notable movie WB made this year other than Barbie (and maybe Wonka...we'll see) ended up outright bombing, they might be willing to take a risk on resurrecting Star Trek for the box office, particularly if they can do cheaper movies in the range of $80-$125 million.
 
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