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How Do Social Conservative Star Fans Enjoy Star Trek?

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Star Trek proves there is something for everyone, no matter where you sit on the political spectrum. And sometimes unless one is truly bothered, you ignore the flaws, if any, and enjoy the ride.
Most Hollywood entertainment in the past was based on front and centre the white man as the hero and everyone else supported said character. Very Eurocentric, Westerncentric, Caucasiancentic, Malecentric...etc etc
It never stopped me from watching TV shows or going to the movies.
E.g I'm a Columbo fan, a show set in the 70's, 80's and 90's where folks who look like me are almost nonexistent, and yet this nonwhite,
Labour voting human, watches it every week. It is on right now as I type this.
People are complex, folks!
 
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First, I want to thank EVERYONE for their thoughtful and thought-provoking posts. This has been wonderful for understanding a bit more about you crazy people I spend so much time talking with. :)
It was great "fun" for me in 2004 when my father and I went together in the morning to go vote. He, of course, voted for Bush, then he turned around and asked me, "Who did you vote for?" He luckily didn't bother asking me in 2000, he probably assumed I voted the way he did, and I wasn't going to correct him. But no such luck in '04! :p

And yet, my father liked TOS and tolerated watching the other series during the '90s. My mother -- who was a very staunch Republican -- said she actually liked TNG better than TOS. "It's more down to Earth," her exact quote. Though she was a hardcore TOS Fan in the '60s. She even bought a Spock album, which I still have.

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Most Hollywood entertainment in the past was based on front and centre the white man as the hero and everyone else supported said character. Very Eurocentric, Westerncentric, Caucasiancentic, Malecentric...etc etc
That sort of reminds me of Sisko's issue with Vic's lounge in "Badda Bing". The world was a certain way back then. And, nostalgia for simpler times should be tempered with an appreciation for progress made.
 
Nostalgia always has a strong allure, because we tend to remember the good and push aside the bad from times past. It can be a dangerous drug, ask the Talosians.

Yet the Telosians allowed Pike to live out the rest of his life with dignity instead of a cripple, so they weren’t all bad.
 
Yet the Telosians allowed Pike to live out the rest of his life with dignity instead of a cripple, so they weren’t all bad.

The nostalgia doesn't make them bad, their dependance on it makes them lost. Like they said, they quit trying to largely rebuild for a long time because they were lost in the thought records.
 
Yet the Telosians allowed Pike to live out the rest of his life with dignity instead of a cripple, so they weren’t all bad.
Their initial capture of Captain Pike was an act of desperation, an attempt to save themselves from extinction. This theme is revisited in "When the Bough Breaks".

I wonder if "The Menagerie" was a gentle dig at people who had their noses glued to TV sets at day, the theme of escaping into illusionary worlds. They hadn't seen nothing yet!
 
Their initial capture of Captain Pike was an act of desperation, an attempt to save themselves from extinction. This theme is revisited in "When the Bough Breaks".

I wonder if "The Menagerie" was a gentle dig at people who had their noses glued to TV sets at day, the theme of escaping into illusionary worlds. They hadn't seen nothing yet!

Now we have AR/VR and I fear for the "Ready Player One" future. Like Sisko says, you can miss life if you don't look up every once in a while. Progress is good, but I feel like there could be a balance between Nostalgia and Progress.
 
To bring this back to the show, I've always wondered about the politics of the Federation Council as a democratic body? I could see Earth leading the liberal/socialist block with its anti-capitalist system. They believe in nationalized industries (e.g., has there ever been a mention of Starfleet acquiring resources from a private contractor similar to Lockheed-Martin?) and have devoted a significant amount of their resources to government programs and institutions, with Starfleet and the Federation providing most basic services.

Episodes like DS9's "Past Tense" practically beg the audience to care about the homeless problem and for people to support/fund programs that would help people. You don't leave that episode thinking, you know the conservative solution of cutting government spending and give out more tax cuts that go mostly to the 1% will fix it all.

Also, I could see the Vulcans as representing a form of social conservatism that believes in holding to ideology even when in contradiction of their own nature, at least in the early years of the Federation. It would explain Spock being among the few who join Starfleet in the 23rd century. The Vulcans basically do a form of "praying the gay way" in order to deny who they are and what they feel in order to live their lives in an emotional closet.

I always took Sarek's end in TNG to be tragic and an indictment of the Vulcan way of life, as well as being representative of the views of some current social conservatives in the here and now who believe that people "choose" who and how they love which they think can be "corrected" with proper counseling (i.e., torturing children with negative reinforcement for having sexual attraction to the same sex). As evidenced by his mind-meld with Picard, Sarek is a man that down deep LOVED DEEPLY Spock and Amanda, but repressed it because of societal requirements, and at the end of his life it is tearing him apart inside.
Actually one side launched one violent insurrection, and it was horrific and disgusting and wrong. The other side, during the BLM riots, launched multiple violent insurrections in cities across the nation, and they were also horrific and disgusting and wrong. In this matter, neither side is without sin, and both are furiously throwing stones.
One side was full of petulant a-holes that couldn't accept that their side lost an election, the other side was reacting to the systematic murder and brutality of a class of people on a recurrent basis over DECADES, with little to no repercussions for those who do the killings and battery.

Sort of like the Bell Riots in Trek lore, eh? Or did the people in the Sanctuary Districts have it coming when the government cracked down?

Also, 96.3% OF 7,305 BLM PROTESTS WERE PEACEFUL. I know that's something that you might not have seen while watching Fox News, but truth isn't popular with most of the media that social conservatives get their information from.
 
Debating politics is like wrestling with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it. Oink.

Be that as it may, a moderator did ask us to limit this topic to Star Trek matters, since it's in the Star Trek forum.

Maybe I'll bring the subject up in Miscellaneous, though. Sounds like the discussion could get very interesting.
 
I wonder if "The Menagerie" was a gentle dig at people who had their noses glued to TV sets at day, the theme of escaping into illusionary worlds. They hadn't seen nothing yet!
This point was actually rather explicit in some dialog that was filmed but cut. Here it is in the script:

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To be reductive, liberals and those on the right enjoy Star Trek because it's a vision of the future where there is no more racism, sexism, classism, bigotry, poverty, or otherwise inequality -- and conservatives and those on the right enjoy Star Trek because it's a show about space cops in an intensely hierarchical space paramilitary doing space colonialism.
That is reductive in the extreme. As Oddish pointed out: "and conservatives and those on the right enjoy Star Trek because it's a show that values courage, responsibility, duty, helping those in need, devotion to family, the spirit of adventure, and other traditional values that made this nation great."

From my experience with friends all over the political and social spectrums, ALL of these things attract and inspire people, regardless of labels. I know some conservatives who very much want to see a future without hate and poverty, and I know some liberals who love the courage, duty, etc., of the characters. People are complicated and are shaped by the circumstances and choices of their lives.

Star Trek is one of the few points of common ground I have with my Trump/QAnon parents. I'm not sure exactly why they still love it after all these years, but they do, and I'm glad it brings us together.
 
That is reductive in the extreme. As Oddish pointed out: "and conservatives and those on the right enjoy Star Trek because it's a show that values courage, responsibility, duty, helping those in need, devotion to family, the spirit of adventure, and other traditional values that made this nation great."

From my experience with friends all over the political and social spectrums, ALL of these things attract and inspire people, regardless of labels. I know some conservatives who very much want to see a future without hate and poverty, and I know some liberals who love the courage, duty, etc., of the characters. People are complicated and are shaped by the circumstances and choices of their lives.

Star Trek is one of the few points of common ground I have with my Trump/QAnon parents. I'm not sure exactly why they still love it after all these years, but they do, and I'm glad it brings us together.

I've gone back a couple pages, and I think I am missing some fragments of posts. What was being reductive in the extreme?
 
Not necessarily engaging with loads of the replies in this thread but honestly I get how conservatives can enjoy star trek but i don’t understand how they can not view it as political? especially the original series.

I’m viewing this from a UK perspective NOT a US one (I therefore don’t know bounds about the Republican party and when saying conservatives I will mean Tory’s)

The original pilot was rejected for being TOO political for goodness sake, and while some of the messages and metaphors are now outdated, I would definitely say they were more progressive than modern Trek (i don’t understand when people say modern trek is “woke” compared to old trek, I would argue it’s more performative than meaningful in comparison to old trek which is why I think it’s a lot less “woke”).

A big reason I like TOS specifically is the values and progressive views in it, I find it so interesting when compared with the time and a lot of the time am baffled some of the stuff got past censors (if it wasn’t sci-fi y i don’t think it would’ve). I’m very left wing and anti-tory, and while i do see how you can like the show despite the different political opinions I don’t see how you can ignore it like some people in this thread have said.

A reason I may think modern Trek isn’t as progressive is because i’m acclimatised to modern media and representation whereas watching older trek with my knowledge of those time periods popular political attitudes it seems so much more progressive and actually as taking a stance whereas I feel modern trek is just like… up to average standards in terms of politics and isn’t as progressive in comparison to the time as old trek.

People’s own political opinion has also caused the differing Kirk characterisation which I find kind of funny when talking to different people about THE SAME GUY
 
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