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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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First off, why does every Marvel film have to be a "blockbuster?" The MCU is expansive and eclectic. Why can't there be room for some of its films to be smaller than others without being condemned for it? It's unfair to call something a failure just because you arbitrarily held it to higher standards than you use for everything else.


The problem is, the budgets on these films are now so routinely huge, that they actually need to hit $1 billion to be considered profitable. Once a studio has spent $200-300 million on production, than another $200 million on marketing, they're out of pocket $400-500 million, and conventional Hollywood accounting is that they need to make 2X that figure to make money, since the theatres take a cut etc.

Marvel used to be fairly tight-fisted, with movies costing around $150 million, and a smaller marketing budget, meaning they could be considered profitable on a return of $500-600 million worldwide.

So with regards to opening weekends, they're fairly reliant on a big opening weekend to carry the movie. Most films, even Avatar 2, Force Awakens & Infinity War usually see a drop-off of about 50-60% in their second week, compared to the first.

So if a movie only makes $200 million globally in it's first week, they can expect to see that number halve in it's second week, which can spell disaster when you need to claw your way to a billion to make your money back. Conversely, Endgame was the first movie to pull off the mythical "Billion Dollar Opening Weekend", which meant it was still pulling in $500 million in it's second weekend, with that 50% drop off.
 
The problem is, the budgets on these films are now so routinely huge, that they actually need to hit $1 billion to be considered profitable.

Exactly my point. It's foolhardy of them to keep making movies so ridiculously expensive that it's almost impossible for them to be profitable. The only thing that allowed such expensive films to be profitable was the Chinese box office, and that audience is apparently gone now due to political shifts. The industry needs to catch up with that reality and return to more moderate budgets.


So if a movie only makes $200 million globally in it's first week, they can expect to see that number halve in it's second week, which can spell disaster when you need to claw your way to a billion to make your money back.

That may usually be the case, but as I've said, it's disingenuous to pretend this particular weekend, just days after the end of the strike that prohibited the actors from promoting the film, can be judged by the typical formulas. It's only now that they're really able to begin a promotional push for the film, so it's logical to expect the curve to be different, to make allowances for a slower start.
 
This looks to be a 70% drop-off based on Monday box office and other new films arriving.

So that opening weekend is even more important. This might manage to hit $200 million but even that is looking shaky.
 
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It’s a fallacy to limit one’s thinking about a film making profit to purely box office takings.

A movie’s revenue making lifetime only begins on theatrical release. And that’s only if you ignore pre-release licensing and merchandising deals. And tax-break incentives for making the movie in a certain place(s) etc.
 
It’s a fallacy to limit one’s thinking about a film making profit to purely box office takings.

A movie’s revenue making lifetime only begins on theatrical release. And that’s only if you ignore pre-release licensing and merchandising deals. And tax-break incentives for making the movie in a certain place(s) etc.

Yes there are additional revenues - but no matter how you square it, a film that loses about two hundred to three hundred million at the box office is a bomb, a turkey, it crashed and burnt. No amount of Hollywood accounting changes that.

Also you have to consider the other problems - the channel will be stuffed with The Marvels merchandise that has to heavily discounted to sell. Exhibitors will lobby for changes to the heavily restrictive Disney first run contract and the percentage split of box office.

Like a real life bomb, the ramifications are much wider.

Even a 100% solution of copium does not change that.
 
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Above: Brie Larson after learning The Marvels finally broke even.
 
Yes there are additional revenues - but no matter how you square it, a film that loses about two hundred to three hundred million at the box office is a bomb, a turkey, it crashed and burnt. No amount of Hollywood accounting changes that.

Also you have to consider the other problems - the channel will be stuffed with The Marvels merchandise that has to heavily discounted to sell. Exhibitors will lobby for changes to the heavily restrictive Disney first run contract and the percentage split of box office.

Like a real life bomb, the ramifications are much wider.

Even a 100% solution of copium does not change that.

What did you think of the movie?
 
Scarlett Johansson may be donning her Black Widow costume once again… or not. The actress stopped by the Today show on Monday to promote her skincare line, The Outset, and discuss her upcoming film, Tower of Terror, based on the Disney World ride of the same name. While she was there, Al Roker couldn’t help but ask her about the possibility of a return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Those who have seen Avengers: Endgame will remember that Johansson’s Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow sacrifices herself in order to get the Soul Stone from Thanos and save the life of Jeremy Renner’s Clint Barton/Hawkeye.

When asked about the rumors that she could return in some capacity despite her character’s death, she responded coyly, “Like a loophole? I feel like that’s kind of the end, right? Like can you come back? Could it be a vampire version of the character? Cause I’m here for that, like a zombie version, maybe.” As a follow-up, Roker probed her about whether or not she had been approached to reprise her character, and she avoided answering the question.

“You really ask the hard questions. I feel like I have to tell you, but I actually don’t have to tell you, Al. I do not, but I want to so bad,” the Oscar nominee told the host before asking to change the subject to her upcoming Disney movie.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...k-widow-return-to-mcu-possibility-1235647578/

I would guess given the lead-time on actor contracts that if they want to bring the A-listers back for say Secret Wars they need to start signing contracts now...
 
Are we doing this again? Haven't seen it - I have no comment on the quality of the marvels and thus have made no comments on it quality. I'll be sure to watch it when it's on Disney plus.
Yet you seem incredibly invested in gloating about what a massive failure it is at every opportunity.

And Christopher sees the exact point of my question.

As I keep saying, the people who haven't seen the movie are the ones most interested in the downfall. Which is interesting.
 
And Christopher sees the exact point of my question.

As I keep saying, the people who haven't seen the movie are the ones most interested in the downfall. Which is interesting.

I totally got the point of your question but a "Got ya!" really should only be used once a thread. I mean, if people are coming after me rather than the contents of my posts - at least make it intellectually interesting for me - that's all I ask.
 
I totally got the point of your question but a "Got ya!" really should only be used once a thread.

Except you've been hurling "Got yas" at The Marvels every chance you get for the past week. Give it a rest already. If it's failing as badly as you insist, then it doesn't need you to keep kicking it while it's down.
 
We saw Ego meeting an adult Quill at the end of Season 1 in T'Chala Guardian's of the Galaxy universe.

But I guess they decided to rework that to a younger Quill in a different universe.
 
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