Out of all the enemies which could have potentially returned in Generations…
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Could the Borg assimilate either Armus or a Horta? We could have found out in First Contact. I do not think that the Borg could assimilate Nagilum, though they do now have the ability to mechanically encapsulate and mentally assimilate non corporeal entities. I guess that this is a similar question as to if the Borg could assimilate a Changeling/Founder. I do not believe that the Borg can assimilate Changelings, which is probably why the Borg Queen instead used them as goons/grunts in Picard season 3, in a similar way as to how the Duras sisters were used by Doctor Soran in Generations.If Armus comes back, just grab a bunch of Horta to defeat him. It worked before.
Nagilum? No. But put a Founder in one of those Obsidian Order status fields Garak used on Odo. Insert nanoprobes and hey presto - Borg Changeling.
Just got to make those nanoprobes stick. Once the conversion is complete and they're linked to the Collective - literal putty in The Borg's hands.
Just got to make those nanoprobes stick. Once the conversion is complete and they're linked to the Collective - literal putty in The Borg's hands.
Borg nano probes can easily be adapted and weaponised against the Dominion to facilitate this, similar quantum stasis fields are already an established component of Borg regeneration chambers. Alternatively, much as how Janeway’s Neurolytic pathogen was assimilated by Sphere 634, the Borg could also have assimilated the Section 31 virus which infected the Founders in the end days of the Dominion War. But this could have been a trap in itself, this would explain Picard season 3’s Changelings and their dynamic with the Borg… Section 31 may have designed the virus to infect the Borg too, knowing that the Collective would potentially attempt to backwards engineer it in an attempt to assimilate Changelings. This would mean that Janeway is not responsible for the demise of the old Collective as Terry Matalas led us to believe, which is a long held theory of mine.
The thing is is that TOS had been in syndication for 10-12 years, so viewers had seen 'Space Seed' numerous times by the time 'Wrath' premiered, and Ricardo Montalban was enjoying a successful run on 'Fantasy Island', so bringing back Khan feels like both a 'safe bet' and a 'no brainer', because the audience is there for Star Trek and a recognizable face behind the villain.
How many times had the TNG and DS9 episodes featuring the Duras sisters aired before 'Generations' premiered? Definitely not as many. The reason they're in the movie is because they're Klingons and, aside from Vulcans, Klingons are the alien race most associated with Star Trek.
How many times had the TNG and DS9 episodes featuring the Duras sisters aired before 'Generations' premiered? Definitely not as many. The reason they're in the movie is because they're Klingons and, aside from Vulcans, Klingons are the alien race most associated with Star Trek.
So a movie totally unrelated to Star Trek Generations?Armus could quite as easily come back as Khan did in The Wrath of Khan. All that it would take is for an away team to randomly beam down to the planet that Armus is trapped on by mistake and unknowingly step or fall in to his puddle. Armus could even be a bit like the black oil from X Files, being a connected consciousness of tar like goo even when separated in to Petri dishes or test tubes. Even a sample of Armus taken onboard of a ship for study would be dangerous, his sample may begin to grow or even ‘infect’ people.
Nagilum, or a similar being, could also be at the centre of the Nexus energy ribbon, like a spider in the middle of a web luring in those that it contacts with a make believe, drug like reality which anyone who enters does not want to leave and would fight to return to if they ever escaped…. Those that are willingly trapped inside the Nexus become Nagilum’s play things for him to observe, study and feed off. He may even begin to warp people’s Nexus dream realities in to nightmares when he becomes bored of them.
Unlikely.
I paraphrase:
If I had gone to The Wrath of Khan having never seen an episode of TOS, I wouldn't know who the heck Khan or his genetic supermen were and be totally lost (and maybe even more so with the explanation).
Khan was completely explained by Chekov in about one and a half brief sentences, and no one really needed to go back and watch "Space Seed" to get that Khan was an old adversary of Kirk's (certainly my mom didn't when she took me to see TWOK as a kid).
Armus, on the other hand, was a glob of oil with anger issues and Nagilum was a bodyless tele-tubby on acid...
Unlikely.
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Armus, on the other hand, was a glob of oil with anger issues and Nagilum was a bodyless tele-tubby on acid...
Yup--the true match-up of the ages...
For a move like GEN, Bok makes the most sense. Bok lost his son, Picard lost members of his family. There are parallels to drawn from in how they approach the Nexus. Its also conceivable that he would work with the Duras Sisters if they heard about each others exploits wit the Ent-D/Picard.
Armus is more of a final boss type of villain, since his level of hatred is more intense than even Khan.
Armus is more of a final boss type of villain, since his level of hatred is more intense than even Khan.
Damon Bok *really* should have been used in Picard, how did none of us ever think of him before? He would have made a really good alternative to Vadic. His inclusion as the secondary ‘big bad’ in season 3 would have made the whole Matalas Prime section with Sneed make a lot more sense, Sneed could even have been an associate of Bok... they may even have met in prison. I had forgotten all about Bok, tbh. 
When I say Damon Bok, I mean Damon as in Captain again… of the Shrike!
In Generations, Bok could have *definitely* filled in for the Duras sisters.
When I say Damon Bok, I mean Damon as in Captain again… of the Shrike!
In Generations, Bok could have *definitely* filled in for the Duras sisters.
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Shrike 3, you're out, Bok.When I say Damon Bok, I mean Damon as in Captain again… of the Shrike!
That's really the thing. The original series had a measly 79 episodes which were run countless times, often daily, for 13 years by the time TWOK hit theaters (WPIX started rerunning it the Monday after it left NBC). If you were like me in a major market, you could see Star Trek 3 times a day on different channels at one point if you had a good antenna. "Space Seed" got lots of airplay.
TNG had 99 more episodes to cycle through and it wasn't nearly has heavily rerun and certainly not for as long a time. Plus, the first 2 seasons weren't exactly considered the high point of the series, so Bok and Armus would be lost in that morass. Khan, on the other hand, was a magnetic character played by a well regarded and popular actor.
TNG was extraordinarily popular and extremely well regarded, but it wasn't known for its villains other than Lore, Q, the Borg and, if you drilled down a bit, Tomalak and Sela. They used the Borg in the next film, Q was given a proper goodbye in the series finale (and I would have groaned if he was the movie villain anyway) and the others? Tomalak maybe because Andreas Katsulas was brilliant, but Sela was a bad idea from the start. However, she would have been fun to see in Nemesis. Lore was never a favorite of mine, even though TNG seemed to love him.
TNG wasn't as big on villains and melodrama, really, and most of them were ambassadors, low stakes environmental pollutionists or cranky Admirals.
However, I would have been fine with bringing back those "Conspiracy" parasites and really go to town with a starfleet takeover instead of the "save homes of the nice white people" rebellion of Insurrection.
In Generations, they should just have brought back the greatest antagonist of them all, the greatest villain of the TNG entire era, the antagonist that started it all:
GROPPLER ZORN!
GROPPLER ZORN!
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