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One of my issues with DSC season 3 is that it reminded me of the Kevin Sorbo series Andromeda (which was based on a Roddenberry idea), except I liked the idea for why the System Commonwealth fell in Andromeda better than what we got for the fall of the Federation with the Burn in DSC.

To me, it was more intriguing to think about Federation values leading them to try to make peace with something like the Magog (i.e., a vicious and violent species that feeds on others, and lays its eggs inside its victims) and that divides the Federation and the fracture tears it apart when species within it see its kindness as weakness.

I thought the most interesting scenes of Discovery season 3 is when Osyraa basically sues for peace, and Vance tries to figure out whether it's real or a ploy.

The entire deal is an attempt to get the positive political capital of the Federation while corrupting what was left of it. And it relied on a tactic that the Federation in almost every circumstance is ready to pursue: negotiation and agreements. But Osyraa wanted peace, but peace on her terms. The admiral knew that she wanted to pull the strings from behind-the-scenes. Also, some of the terms she lays out didn’t sound like the Emerald Chain had any intentions of fundamentally changing. She mentions anti-slavery legislation but legislation isn’t law until it’s passed, and even then having a law doesn’t exactly mean anything if the people who’re supposed to enforce are corrupt. Osyraa also said the armistice would entail a “15-year transition” for the Emerald Chain to stop violating the Prime Directive.

Osyraa herself says that people still believe in the Federation as a symbol of “hope.” The only thing that’s probably kept what’s left of it together is that belief. To make an agreement with the Emerald Chain, an organization that’s committed war crimes, condones slavery, and routinely violates Starfleet’s highest principle would undermine that faith without a public example that the Emerald Chain was willing to change and answer for their conduct.

And to me what made all of this even better is that if you start thinking about it, is there really a lot of diff between an agreement with the Emerald Chain and the Klingon Empire of the 23rd century? From what we're told and see in "Errand of Mercy," the Klingons have committed atrocities on par, but (from what we know) the Klingons didn’t have to pass anti-slavery legislation and have officials stand trial as part of the Khitomer Accords.

If I remember correctly, the big difference between the Emerald Chain in DISCO and the Khitomer Accords with the Klingons was that the Klingons weren't trying to join the Federation, or combine both organizations. But the Emerald Chain was trying to combine the two organizations.

You can have a peace treaty with another group but still not be fine with some of their practices. But you can't really have a group that employs slavery and other bad things on a regular basis be a member of your group or combine with it... at that point, it just doesn't work.

Having something like a Declaration of Principles (from BABYLON 5's "The Paragon of Animals", when they were coming up with some shared values for the new InterStellar Alliance) is important.
 
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I liked the "Circle" 3-parter that starts off season 2, where Sisko and the crew are the only people in Starfleet that aren't stupid, disobey orders to stay around and prove Cardassian involvement in the coup. And there are individual episodes that, while not great, I found interesting were kind Law & Order-ish in that they tried to be ripped from the headlines (e.g., adoption by someone from another culture, and whether biology or a history of being the nurturing parent was more important).
Circle was amazing. It's been a long time but it was at once DS9 really growing up, it made the Overall World as well as Bajor feel VAST. And if memory serves it really didn't have that kind of complexity ever again. At least not on that kind of scale. Kai Winn as Not a Cartoon.

And Frank freaking Langella.
 
Yup, apparently the general public hated DS9’s Bajor episodes, even though…they were generally the best episodes in the first couple of seasons. Many of them were pretty brilliant in my book. I’ve never understood the general public though. Still don’t.

I don't get the GP at all anymore either. Idk why they didn't like the Bajoran plot
 
Yup, apparently the general public hated DS9’s Bajor episodes, even though…they were generally the best episodes in the first couple of seasons. Many of them were pretty brilliant in my book. I’ve never understood the general public though. Still don’t.

Was that the general public hating them or was it the studio execs believing that the general public would hate them?
 
The Burn is weird as Hell but at least it's classic Star Trek and for once there wasn't time travel to reset the timeline involved. The Burn may not be everyone's idea of a thrilling explanation but I'm just glad it was kinda original for a franchise that's nearly 60 years old.
 
The Burn is weird as Hell but at least it's classic Star Trek and for once there wasn't time travel to reset the timeline involved. The Burn may not be everyone's idea of a thrilling explanation but I'm just glad it was kinda original for a franchise that's nearly 60 years old.

Yeah I personally didn't like it too much but I can see it from that PoV
 
The Burn is one of the few plot ideas the Berman Era never got around to inventing. "An alien child is so anguished and scared that his scream disrupts subspace so badly that dilithium across the galaxy becomes unstable and explodes, destroying most warp travel for over a century? That's new."

So kudos to the DSC writers for coming up with one of the few things that previous Trek writers from 1964 all the way up to 2019 hadn't already pulled out of their hat. Subspace Child Scream Blows Up Space Travel. :lol:
 
As with a lot of science fiction, the literal events that take place within a story are often less interesting, or even less important than the metaphors and allegories that lurk behind them.
 
Maybe the conglomerates and corporations that are drowning our planet in C02 and damaging our environment (The Burn itself being a clear allegory for Climate Change) could do well to take note of the sound of screaming children. Gonna be a lot of them in the future if we don't do something.
 
I don't mind the cause of the burn, and find it quite endearing and contrast to the usual "malevolant entity" what I would like is for them not to rush the reunification of the Federation. Seems after hundreds of years that a few bits of dilithium bring everyone back into the fold a few years later.
 
I thought the cause of the burn was just fine. The problem is the pacing of the whole season is so bad I never cared about the mystery of the burn in the first place.
 
Yeah, another war or convenient timeline reset or both would have been annoying. The Scream is goofy but hey, at least it was original and in Trek these days that's almost as scarce as a Bigfoot sighting.
 
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