They sure seem to be cut from the same cloth........
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens
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Far too often does jail time make larger criminals out of their incarceration:
If he ever does go to jail (I think unlikely, but...), he'll probably have a large chunk of the inmates ready to donate to his fan film once he gets out.
If he ever does go to jail (I think unlikely, but...), he'll probably have a large chunk of the inmates ready to donate to his fan film once he gets out.
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Yeah, that probably won't stop him.Scammers gonna scam. Whatever AP used to be, he's a swindler through and through now.
The only thing that will stop him is jail time...and even then, I kinda doubt it.
I worked for a retail company for 10 years and when I started there was a gentleman known as the "Invisible Man" who would fill a duffle bag slowly and then take off it with. He had been trespassed, arrested, fined and still he was active when I left the company.
Hell, in places like Seattle, there's tons of security and personal video footage of mobs of people just walking out with piles of merchandise without ever being challenged or arrested.
My reaction as well...
What is this cult thing you guys are talking about? I've seen it mentioned in jest multiple times and I just assumed you were all just namecalling AP and accusing the Axanar fandom of being one.
[B]@F. King Daniel[/B] mentioned it up thread on page 379. As in, Axanar appears to now be run by an actual cult leader. Some dude named Dave Lanyon with some “mystery school” somethingorother. Not a joke. Well, it is, but it isn’t. A very sad, sad, unbelievable, yet completely real joke.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
Lol, so they upgraded from a pretend in-universe Garth to a real world Garth? I have to say that would be a plot twist I wasn't expecting in As the Fan Film Turns soap opera...
Agreed. It's a bit unexpected.
Only just a bit, though.
Only just a bit, though.
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of the productions ongoing right now are being allowed to skate on the rules imposed after the Axanar lawsuit as to length, no recurring characters, etc?
They're not rules, they're more like "safe harbour" guidelines. Breaking any of them doesn't guarantee that Paramount will take action.
Correct and, to my recollection, CBS/Paramount never really acted like they felt that their IP was being potentially threatened until Axanar came along with its massive crowdfunding efforts to necessitate such guidelines. I suspect that none of the other fan projects out there have ever warranted the same level of scrutiny as this one has. They could all probably continue to make full-length features off their own dime without much fear of legal splash-back. That was the whole point of "fair use" from the very beginning. No $$$, no problem.
What productions are even going on now?
Are any of them making feature length, professional quality, crowdfunded productions?
Good point. Haven't really seen anything of note in some time now. The Star Wars fan films continue to produce the obligatory lightsaber duel here and there with the ubiquitous "Duel of Fates" background score, but Trek does seem to have dried up.
My guess is that this is a function of the official production glut we've seen in the past few years. Fan films became popular after ENT was cancelled, as an answer to the vacuum left behind by no new canonical productions. The Abrams movies stoked the fires, in a way, to induce people to make more "RealTrek™" fan films in the Prime Universe, which many felt was abandoned. It wasn't until the V/C/P merger when they finally got their act together to produce new streaming content which is now on for a majority of Thursdays throughout the entire year.
Is there really a need (dare I say, market) for Trek fan films anymore, considering that V/C/P has ostensibly given us what we've wanted for many years?
My guess is that this is a function of the official production glut we've seen in the past few years. Fan films became popular after ENT was cancelled, as an answer to the vacuum left behind by no new canonical productions. The Abrams movies stoked the fires, in a way, to induce people to make more "RealTrek™" fan films in the Prime Universe, which many felt was abandoned. It wasn't until the V/C/P merger when they finally got their act together to produce new streaming content which is now on for a majority of Thursdays throughout the entire year.
Is there really a need (dare I say, market) for Trek fan films anymore, considering that V/C/P has ostensibly given us what we've wanted for many years?
As I recall, though, the official position has been that adhering to the guidelines doesn't necessarily mean you're safe, either. It's not a licence. It's not binding on CBS/Paramount. At some point, unlikely though it seems now, they could still stomp down hard on everyone doing fan productions and products.
Something would have happened before long, even without Axanar. There are other productions that had Trek pros involved that started looking a bit too big and official. Look at Of Gods and Men, whose producers didn't sell DVDs, they gave free DVDs to people who chose to give them money for something or other. That's pushing it. Or Renegades, which did get a bit of a stomping, but the people involved were smarter than Peters and didn't keep pushing their luck.
And following them to a T doesn't guarantee that Paramount WON'T take action.
There may be legal wiggle room, but the opening statement of the Guidelines seems pretty clear in its intent:
This, and a similar case was happening in Star Wars fan films as well. They would keep pushing the line, get bigger, try to get better and be even more over the top than their peers. I know IMPS was supposed to be this huge, multi-part series that struggled after a while. There was a beautifully constructed Italian fan film that was more inspired by Star Wars than anything specifically Star Wars. And so on.
I think the guidelines and fear of action made smaller outfits more hesitant or just more likely to film them for their own purposes vs. sharing them as much online as before.