Too bad it likely didn't survive the destruction of the ship. Kirk could have taken it back to 1986, pawned it, and created another potential predestination paradox!
I never noticed that before...Movie Edition
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Too bad it likely didn't survive the destruction of the ship. Kirk could have taken it back to 1986, pawned it, and created another potential predestination paradox!
I only recently noticed in Trek III: After the sun goes down on David and Saavik on Genesis, they look toward the landscape that the Klingons are advancing across. If one looks closely, the flashlights of the Klingons can be seen moving through the bushes in the long shot. This went unseen by me for years.
Yes I noticed that one as well!
I never noticed that, and always wondered what they saw! Now I'll have to look for it. Thanks.
When the Enterprise is under fire from Chang's Bird of Prey, one of the torpedo hits causes the Enterprise's main deflector to "flicker" like a strobe light.
It's the one just before a cut away to engineering where Scotty shouts, "Captain, she's packing quite a wallop!"
It's the one just before a cut away to engineering where Scotty shouts, "Captain, she's packing quite a wallop!"
At first I thought you meant the apparent flashing of the deflector shield at the site of impact (which is cool in itself, and something that happens throughout the battle sequence), but then I looked and realized you're indeed referring to the blue deflector dish blinking out for a second when Enterprise is hit. I legit never noticed this! Great find.
It's definitely a blink-and-miss-it moment since it cuts away almost immediately afterward. I myself only noticed it recently.
In another blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment, I just noticed that Sulu is in some kind of distress at the end of Khan's first attack. You can see him in the lower left corner around the time Kirk says "Who the hell are they?" and Uhura says "Admiral, the commander of the Reliant is signaling." I created this gif:
One of the novels says that Spock created it himself, and that each piece of glass (or obsidian or whatever it is) represents a person who has touched his life in some way. I thought that was kind of cool.
Okay, I don't suppose anyone who wasn't in the know could have noticed this, but how's this for trivia? Valeris was originally supposed to be Spock and Saavik's daughter, also named Saavik, after her mother. https://twitter.com/TrapperSeanMD/status/1719018262338404476
Their...daughter. If she was conceived on Genesis, that would make her...3? Remember, the time between TSFS and TUC is a LOT shorter than theatrical release. Even so, she'd be 10 or younger.
Unless she and Spock did the serious while she was his student.
Good God, why does every insist on pairing them up?
That does explain the confounding fact that, in the script commonly available online, all the dialogue for Valeris is more-or-less as it is in the final movie, and she's talked about as a new character, but she's still named Saavik. The idea that it was initially going to be Saavik (the elder) and that the new name was Kim Cattrall's suggestion didn't quite add up, but adding an intermediate stage where she was going to be a new character called Saavik, Jr ties things together.
They only decide when the movie takes place when they make the movie. I don't think there are any hard timeline markers in TUC itself as it is, it wouldn't be impossible to decide it takes place in 2306 or something so Saavik, Jr could be a newly-minted Academy graduate.
Someone suggested on Twitter that the Genesis resurrection side effects meant that Spock's offspring would mature quicker, as well (which I'd already thought of myself before reading their comment)
I agree, the actual years the films were taking place weren't set. All of that was after the fact once TNG started being more specific. We only know "23rd century." Be that as it may, we know they play around with time because in the space of 3 - 5 months, Kirk and Scotty put on a TON of weight and lost/gained hair. But I have hard time believing they thought about placing TUC a good decade and a half after the previous film to justify having Spock's daughter as an adult villain.
And the whole Spock/Saavik thing is still weird for a variety of reasons. That entire concept was best left unofficial and on the cutting room floor.
I'm just gonna go with "oy vey" and leave it at that.
How did my quote end up as someone else's? 
I had some trouble with the multi quote. I fixed it. Sorry for the confuzzlement.How did my quote end up as someone else's?
Wow! It's hard to say which would have been more brutal--that Saavik betrayed him or his daughter betrayed him.
I had heard that Meyer and Nimoy and some others) co-wrote the script, so I wonder whose idea this was.
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I remember reading a quotation from Leonard Nimoy this movie and he and Meyer throwing around a lot of ideas and seeing what sticks. Obviously, the idea that Valeris is Spock's daughter didn't stick. Ditto with Saavik betraying Spock. But I can see why they might have considered it as a plot twist--Kirk loses his son, so Spock loses a daughter (that presumably, as those pages of dialogue imply, he had little to do with bring up).
"Valeris" sounds almost like "valorous", yet she's anything but.
Making Valeris Spock's daughter would just add to the "small universe" problem, in which this little group of people serve together for life, and they don't run into anybody they didn't know from kindergarten.
I understand this issue gets discussed in Star Wars too. Like some fans wanted the Mary Sue character from [insert forgettable movie title] to be Luke's daughter. Okay, I googled "female Star Wars characters": I was thinking of Rey. I wonder if her full name is Reymond.
I understand this issue gets discussed in Star Wars too. Like some fans wanted the Mary Sue character from [insert forgettable movie title] to be Luke's daughter. Okay, I googled "female Star Wars characters": I was thinking of Rey. I wonder if her full name is Reymond.
