NEMESIS is worst Trek movie
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The voting on the IMDb is hardly what I'd call scientific. 
Just for fun, I looked up the freshness ratings of those three films over at Rotten Tomatoes...
TFF: 23%
INS: 61%
NEM: 37%
Just for fun, I looked up the freshness ratings of those three films over at Rotten Tomatoes...
TFF: 23%
INS: 61%
NEM: 37%
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Maybe it's because other people have different opinions than yours. Heck, I love TMP but it has a low rating (and I actually can understand people not liking it). I haven't voted in imdb but I do think Nemesis is better than Insurrection.
The last two movies were total misfires, but I could never list a movie with all those ship battles and an effects scene on the scale of the Enterprise/Scimitar crash as my least favorite. That honor will (hopefully) always go to the singing, dancing Picard of Insurrection, with Nemesis a strong second.
I thought of Nemesis as a fantastic example of Star Trek fans getting exactly what they asked for. At the time, everyone was screaming their heads off for Star Trek to be more like Wrath Of Khan and what we got was a blatant Wrath Of Khan ripoff. Prior to that the fans had been livid about the movies having a completely different tone than the series, and we got the snoozefest that was Insurrection.
I thought of Nemesis as a fantastic example of Star Trek fans getting exactly what they asked for. At the time, everyone was screaming their heads off for Star Trek to be more like Wrath Of Khan and what we got was a blatant Wrath Of Khan ripoff. Prior to that the fans had been livid about the movies having a completely different tone than the series, and we got the snoozefest that was Insurrection.
At the time I wrote this I had not yet seen Nemesis, I was basing my "shock" on the fact that almost everyone here like Insurrection better.
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What?!
Then, is Charlie Sheen guilty of this too by going from Wall Street to "Two and a Half Men?"
Yeah, I totally agree that NEM is the worst. There's not a single moment there that I enjoy. I thought that the death of the Romulan senate was pretty effective but that's about as far as it goes.
The story is ridiculous, just about everyone is totally out of character, directinon and editing are really bad, and neither the overall design or the music or anything even approach being interesting.
I get far, FAR more joy out of TFF. Yes, it's pretty crappy and has a lot of bad moments but it also has some nice character moments and (to a certain degree) a sense of adventure and a bit of fun.
The story is ridiculous, just about everyone is totally out of character, directinon and editing are really bad, and neither the overall design or the music or anything even approach being interesting.
I get far, FAR more joy out of TFF. Yes, it's pretty crappy and has a lot of bad moments but it also has some nice character moments and (to a certain degree) a sense of adventure and a bit of fun.
Star Trek V is an absolutely terrible film on every possible level. The bit where Scotty knocked hmself out was pretty funny, but it made him look like a total idiot, apart from that I didn't smile once.
I still can't get over how bad spocks jet boot effects are. Awful awful film. Nemesis at last had pasable special effects and some very exciting action scenes, even if it was a pile of steaming crap in most other respects. But it still doesn't some anywhere near to matching the utter rubbishness of TFF.
I still can't get over how bad spocks jet boot effects are. Awful awful film. Nemesis at last had pasable special effects and some very exciting action scenes, even if it was a pile of steaming crap in most other respects. But it still doesn't some anywhere near to matching the utter rubbishness of TFF.
The way I see it, while TFF was a poor trek movie (with some good character moments), as was INS (with some really lame character moments) but for me Nemisis simply doesn't qualify as a trek film at all. At best it was a mediocre, pretty mindless action flick.
The whole dune buggy sequence was totally inane for a start, leaving the the whole shooting at the inhabitants/prime directive thing aside for now, since when can you detect "positronic readings" on a planet at least several sectors away? The plot holes are enormous, nobody is acting in character, Worf's exit from DS9 is simply brushed aside, Data's death is totally contrived (and subsequently undermined)...the list goes on.
At least with TFF I can chuckle at the one man comedy act that is James Doohan.
The whole dune buggy sequence was totally inane for a start, leaving the the whole shooting at the inhabitants/prime directive thing aside for now, since when can you detect "positronic readings" on a planet at least several sectors away? The plot holes are enormous, nobody is acting in character, Worf's exit from DS9 is simply brushed aside, Data's death is totally contrived (and subsequently undermined)...the list goes on.
At least with TFF I can chuckle at the one man comedy act that is James Doohan.
Unfortunately, the character moments are far and away more out of character and inane than STNEM. STV is simply the worst Trek ever committed to film.
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The cloned younger Picard was hot, and that's a point in the movie's favor. And the plot fit with the rest of Trek. Still, it was pretty much a crapfest.
Bad as it was, it doesn't induce the level of sheer hate that Insurrection gives me. I just wanted EVERYONE to die, most of all the hippy space Amish. "Um, we're just going to squat here and hog the healthy radiation, hope that's cool with you. By the way, you guys can go to war for us (even though we have superpowers) and we like to turn our more unruly kids into stretchy-skinned mutants." God, DIE, just die.
To the guy who's in love with the Shat, I'll always love his cheesy-yet-perfect portrayal of Kirk. But since you're going into what this guy is like in real life, I had an ex who went to college with his daughter. She wasn't on speaking terms with him because of the hell he put her mom through when he slept around.
Bad as it was, it doesn't induce the level of sheer hate that Insurrection gives me. I just wanted EVERYONE to die, most of all the hippy space Amish. "Um, we're just going to squat here and hog the healthy radiation, hope that's cool with you. By the way, you guys can go to war for us (even though we have superpowers) and we like to turn our more unruly kids into stretchy-skinned mutants." God, DIE, just die.
To the guy who's in love with the Shat, I'll always love his cheesy-yet-perfect portrayal of Kirk. But since you're going into what this guy is like in real life, I had an ex who went to college with his daughter. She wasn't on speaking terms with him because of the hell he put her mom through when he slept around.
I don't think Nemesis was horrible..I didn't like the idea of having a Picard clone though. That threw me off a bit. What I did like were a couple of scenes in the movie- 1) Loved that vehicle that Picard drove and the scene where it perfectly flies into the shuttlecraft...WOW! 2) the special effects. I loved the scene where the Enterprise and that other ship fly into each other and crash...I also liked the idea of Janeway being in there! 
I was astonished when I saw her..
TFF had it's flaws as well but I liked it too..just didn't like the idea of Shatner directing it. Poorly directed, imo. I did love the humor in it..McCoy cracked me up in a few scenes. But all in all, not too bad.
I was astonished when I saw her..TFF had it's flaws as well but I liked it too..just didn't like the idea of Shatner directing it. Poorly directed, imo.
I did love the humor in it..McCoy cracked me up in a few scenes. But all in all, not too bad.
I was pretty disappointed in Nemesis, mostly because of the some of the continuity problems between the series and the movie but, like with all of the "lesser" Star Trek movies, I was still able to find some good parts in it as well that made it watchable and I liked that they tied up some of the loose ends from the series such as Will & Troi finally getting married and I thought that Data's death was handled pretty well. Not quite on the level of Spock's death scene in TWOK but decent nonetheless. I also liked that the character changes from the last movie turned out to be permanent (i.e. Geordi's eyes). I really liked the battle at the end, particularly with the "ramming" scene and there were some other amusing/exciting scenes sprinkled throughout the movie. The score was really good too. My major beef with the movie, at least after watching the DVD, is that they edited out some scenes that almost certainly would've made the movie a lot better, particularly the "alternate ending" scene with the new First Officer and Will's "practical joke". The "Chateau" scene between Picard and Data was really good as well and should've been included in the final cut. Overall, certainly not one of the best ST movies but I didn't think it was the worst or the least re-watchable one.
Geordi kept his eyes! YAY!!!
Well Nemesis is worse than Insurrection. Maybe I'll bite the bullet and rewatch the other candidates (The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier) just to confirm. What I hazily recall from those movies (which I watched when the originally hit the theaters and haven't glimpsed since), at least they had the woozy look-at-the-pretty-nebula 2001-inspired aspect of Star Trek, and that's more fun than having to sit through bad dialogue and worse acting.
Nemesis was a mediocre movie that's all. Not the worst Trek movie (that dubious honor goes to Final Frontier ) but aside from good character acting ( from as usual Stewart , Spiner and newcomer Hardy ) and some nice special effects there was nothing I can come up as good. The script was not bad. but they turned and filmed it as an action piece which was a mistake in first place. Trekkies are not usual action/adventure junkies. Car chase on Kolarus and Picard-Data maneuvering inside Scimitar with a shuttle were too juvenile. Editing was not done well also. Some of the missing scenes might have added some depth but it was clear that director Baird did not know what the hell he was filming...
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