Horror is not my thing. I tend towards nightmares with it. So, I avoid horror for a lot of reasons.
That's just one of my weaknesses. I don't enjoy it.
Horror is horror.
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That's just one of my weaknesses. I don't enjoy it.
Thanks.
I get it. If horror is not your genre overall, you aren't going to like GREMLINS.
(Funny coincidence, I used horror as my example when I was trying to explain why the SNW musical became the only episode in the franchise I'd never rewatch.)
Gremlins is pretty tame. A lot of fun, but pretty tame.
My gold-standard for Sci-Fi Horror Movies would be the first four Alien films. They tilt more sci-fi than horror and each of those movies has its own unique feel.
Pivoting back to Trek, "Macrocosm" is one of my favorite Voyager episodes. That's a perfect example of Star Trek done in the style of a kind of Horror Movie.
My gold-standard for Sci-Fi Horror Movies would be the first four Alien films. They tilt more sci-fi than horror and each of those movies has its own unique feel.
Pivoting back to Trek, "Macrocosm" is one of my favorite Voyager episodes. That's a perfect example of Star Trek done in the style of a kind of Horror Movie.
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Before the topic gets back on track: Not liking Gremlins is no reason to pass on Gremlins 2. They're completely different films.
Gremlins 2 is what happens when a director (especially a director like Dante) doesn't want to make a sequel until finally a studio gives him enough money AND promises (and gives) total creative control. At which point (as the director cackles with maniacal glee) the studio says "What have we done?"
It's got Christopher Lee! It has a cameo by Jerry Goldsmith! It's got Tony Randal as an urbane yet psychotic gremlin! "I ask you, was that civilized? Fun, yes, but never civilized." "Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free."
It's unhinged and delightful. Oh, and as mentioned, it's got Robert Picardo. (Because it's a Joe Dante movie.) Not as good as Robert Picardo in Innerspace. But still good.
Gremlins 2 is what happens when a director (especially a director like Dante) doesn't want to make a sequel until finally a studio gives him enough money AND promises (and gives) total creative control. At which point (as the director cackles with maniacal glee) the studio says "What have we done?"
It's got Christopher Lee! It has a cameo by Jerry Goldsmith! It's got Tony Randal as an urbane yet psychotic gremlin! "I ask you, was that civilized? Fun, yes, but never civilized." "Now, bear in mind, none of us has been in New York before. There are the Broadway shows - we'll have to find out how to get tickets. There's also a lot of street crime, but I believe we can watch that for free."
It's unhinged and delightful. Oh, and as mentioned, it's got Robert Picardo. (Because it's a Joe Dante movie.) Not as good as Robert Picardo in Innerspace. But still good.
I loved Gremlins when I was a kid. Not quite sure how I managed to get around the fact it was a 15 certificate and I was about 10, I think maybe I got the video from a friend. It’s horror but certainly not hardcore (although there are certainly plenty grizzly bits). I don’t like horror as a genre at all, but I was swept away by the fun of it. It’s just a wonderfully made, iconic movie and it still holds up well today. I liked the sequel too but it’s very different and a little more, I don’t know, abstract and meta in tone?
So this is the Gremlins thread now?
Are we finally, mercifully out of "controversial opinions" about Star Trek?
I'm betting on this thread getting to 1,000 pages.
Controversial opinion: "Masks" is a far better episode than many here think.
I'm betting on this thread getting to 1,000 pages.
Controversial opinion: "Masks" is a far better episode than many here think.
It's not terrible. Not great, but not terrible.
According to some lore TOS was a dramatization of real events.
I'll take that a step further: It was written by a man who wasn't good at writing strong women and didn't really understand Vulcans. (Or, Vulcanians as he called them.) Therefore he took certain liberties with the actual events and mischaracterized certain individuals.
Strange New Worlds is a more accurate interpretation (more accurate), particularly regarding Christine Chapel, MD. Although it's depiction of the Gorn has been startlingly politicized regarding actual 23rd century events on Cestus III.
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I'll take that a step further: It was written by a man who wasn't good at writing strong women and didn't really understand Vulcans. (Or, Vulcanians as he called them.) Therefore he took certain liberties with the actual events and mischaracterized certain individuals.
Strange New Worlds is a more accurate interpretation (more accurate), particularly regarding Christine Chapel, MD. Although it's depiction of the Gorn has been startlingly politicized regarding actual 23rd century events on Cestus III.
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Behr going off on B&B on the state of ENT in the middle of S2 had no bearing on the show’s quality improving. ENT was probably always going to turn it around by S3 & S4.
I don't like "horror" per se (probably why I never saw it). Weirdly, I love Gothic/psychological/creepy stuff (like the recent Fall of the House of Usher). So, no slasher films, not big on gore, but adore Edgar Allan Poe's work and even like some Lovecraft and Lovecraft-adjacent.
Yeah, you probably should look out for rotten vegetables.
I don't like "horror" per se (probably why I never saw it). Weirdly, I love Gothic/psychological/creepy stuff (like the recent Fall of the House of Usher). So, no slasher films, not big on gore, but adore Edgar Allan Poe's work and even like some Lovecraft and Lovecraft-adjacent.
Yeah, you probably should look out for rotten vegetables.
How do you feel about the possessions/ghosts/spirits subgenre?
Because THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE season 1 was excellent. It falls under the categories of both ghosts/spirits and creepy/psychological.
I liked Usher enough to try it since it's from the same showrunner.
My take on re-mastering Star Trek, 20 years ago, on September 28th, 2003:
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Despite it coming up so often here, I think that the desire for a SE of TOS is nothing more than a fanboy fantasy (there's no other way to say it than to just say it). I don't think it's going to happen.
79 episodes is just too much material to redo. It's not like the original Star Wars trilogy which was only 6 hours or TMP which was just over 2 hours.
If they air on Sci-Fi, people might watch five or 10 episodes, maybe 20, but not many people are going to watch all 79 episodes just to watch an enhancement here and an enhancement there. People will stop watching once the novelty wears off, and I think it would take sooner than the four months it would take to show all those episodes.
As far as DVD, sure there are people who are insane enough to buy all three season sets they'd release, but not enough to justify the cost of making and putting them out solely for DVD release if they don't go the cable route.
It's just impractical. Had this been the 90's, Star Trek could afford to go out on an extra limb, but those years are over.
The best approach, IMO, would be to release a few episodes on SE as a "What If?" and leave it at that.
Wow, did I get that one wrong! 79 episodes is just too much material to redo. It's not like the original Star Wars trilogy which was only 6 hours or TMP which was just over 2 hours.
If they air on Sci-Fi, people might watch five or 10 episodes, maybe 20, but not many people are going to watch all 79 episodes just to watch an enhancement here and an enhancement there. People will stop watching once the novelty wears off, and I think it would take sooner than the four months it would take to show all those episodes.
As far as DVD, sure there are people who are insane enough to buy all three season sets they'd release, but not enough to justify the cost of making and putting them out solely for DVD release if they don't go the cable route.
It's just impractical. Had this been the 90's, Star Trek could afford to go out on an extra limb, but those years are over.
The best approach, IMO, would be to release a few episodes on SE as a "What If?" and leave it at that.
It's wrong to call it a horror movie. It's a lot of things. It's worth two hours of your time for sure. One of the peak movies of its era.
You weren't wrong about this bit. Years ago I marathoned all 79 episodes of TOS as it originally was, but I've probably seen 15-20 episodes of TOS-R in my life.
Agreed with this. They didn't need to take the drastic measures that they did, but it is what it is I suppose.
Controversial opinion -
I prefer the CGI in TOSR to the original model work.
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Beyond Alien, when I think about movies that crossed the horror and science-fiction genres, Event Horizon comes to mind. Like Galaxy Quest is claimed by Trek fans, Warhammer 40K fandom likes to believe Event Horizon is an unofficial prequel to the lore of the game.
And it does capture the idea of what if you attempted FTL and it took you to the worst possible place someone could imagine, where the human psyche would be totally unable to cope with the forces and environment that you found? And what if what you found now has been unleashed and has a doorway back towards Earth?
Another mishmash of horror and science-fiction would be Ghostbusters. One subtext of the original movie is the victory of science over the supernatural. It imagines a scenario where nuclear physics is able to overcome eldritch abominations.
And it does capture the idea of what if you attempted FTL and it took you to the worst possible place someone could imagine, where the human psyche would be totally unable to cope with the forces and environment that you found? And what if what you found now has been unleashed and has a doorway back towards Earth?
Another mishmash of horror and science-fiction would be Ghostbusters. One subtext of the original movie is the victory of science over the supernatural. It imagines a scenario where nuclear physics is able to overcome eldritch abominations.
And where an entire working nuclear reactor in the 1980s can be shrunken down to the size of a large backpack and worn as such.
I would've gone with Event Horizon, except the last half-hour ruins it. Alien is good from start-to-finish.
I was curious about TOS-R before it aired, figuring they’d go overboard on the CGI enhancement — probably because I’d seen someone’s homemade attempt on YouTube where they redid the first act of “The Doomsday Machine”, it was really well done and so over the top it made it kind of interesting. Then I watched the first TOS-R episode “Balance of Terror” when it aired, and thought it seemed so half-hearted, I figured, “Why bother? I’ll just watch my DVDs instead.” I’ve actually seen more of it recently because I’m usually too lazy to fire up the BluRays and just watch TOS on Paramount+.
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