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"10 years before TOS" wouldn't have been my first choice to set Discovery. It was an odd series to be a prequel, it never felt like one, so I'd forget it was.
I think a lot of the Discovery early weirdness can be attributed to (blamed on?) Brian Fuller. This is sort of ironic since he was from the Berman production team, and when Discovery was in preproduction I remember people were all over the fact that he said they returning Trek to the Prime universe, there was even a photo from their offices showing they had painted all of the old Enterprises on the wall that people were particularly happy about, lol.

Fuller was the one responsible for the anthology idea (that probably necessitated building the sets to be more “any era”), making Klingons alien aliens, etc., and the productions have been walking all of his stuff back ever since.
 
Hello, this is "controversial opinions", right?

Enterprise is a fucking good show (excepted some few details like Travis and TATV of course), and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know shit about Star Trek.

TNG is pretty good too

DS9 is very far from being the best show

Seven for Kes was a good trade
 
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I'm one of the most ardent fans of ENT in these forums and I sure won't crap on the judgment of fellow Trekkies who don't like ENT. Hell, I'm one of the folks who thinks PIC Season 3 is dumber than a bag full of Paris Hilton marital aids but managed to enjoy it on the terms of what it offered.

There are a billion different ideas for what's good Trek and bad and I can coexist with the vast majority of them. IDIC and all that.
 
Fuller was the one responsible for the anthology idea (that probably necessitated building the sets to be more “any era”), making Klingons alien aliens, etc., and the productions have been walking all of his stuff back ever since.
Yes, which is why I am far more willing to give Discovery slack. It's a bit like the whole "early installment weirdness" that things like TNG or DS9 or whatnot are given yet any new shows are not.
and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know shit about Star Trek.
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Yeah, that works.

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Enterprise is a fucking good show (excepted some few details like Travis and TATV of course), and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know shit about Star Trek.
What the Hell are you smoking? Are you going to tell ME that I don't know shit about Star Trek? Uh-uh.

TNG is pretty good too
I agree.

DS9 is very far from being the best show
Over the span of a quarter-century it went from my second-favorite to somewhere in the middle. So, I'll agree on a technicality, but I suspect you probably feel a lot more strongly about this position than I do.

Seven for Kes was a good trade
I agree.

So, I agree with 75% of what you said. But that 25%? No. No fucking way. The fourth season of ENT was good (not "fucking good", just good), and the basic concept of an early Starfleet before the Federation was founded was sound, but that's as FAR as I'll go.

You want the final frontier to have a "new beginning"? Don't have it be made by the people who ran it into the ground over the past decade-plus, wanted a break, and were tapped out. They weren't inspired to do a prequel. They wanted to do a prequel because they wanted to make something closer to Our Time. And George Lucas had started the Prequel Trilogy for Star Wars, so they wanted to jump on the Prequel Bandwagon. I refuse to believe that Star Trek going to prequels so soon after Star Wars went to prequels was a coincidence. It wasn't.
 
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Seven was just a better character no matter how Kes went out and departed the series. It speaks volumes that the one reappearance of Kes in the franchise post-2374 is an episode almost universally derided if not hated whereas the return of Seven was easily one of the best things about the entire three-year run of PIC.
 
Fuller was the one responsible for the anthology idea (that probably necessitated building the sets to be more “any era”), making Klingons alien aliens, etc., and the productions have been walking all of his stuff back ever since.
I still kinda wish they had went with the anthology idea. If they were going to walk back the stuff anyway, why not just write off the first season as its own thing? I believe the official reason they had to give up on the anthology idea was that costs were prohibitive to rebuild sets and bring in new actors year over year, especially after they had to spend extra money course correcting after Fuller's departure.

From what's been revealed and said, Fuller's entire plan was centered around the Mirror Universe, but a re-imagining of the Mirror Universe where instead of it being a place of more malevolent alter-egos of the characters, the Mirror Universe would be more a road-not-taken place of bad choices and mistakes. And that would connect thematically to Michael's bad choice at the Battle of the Binary Stars.

FULLER: "The thing that really fascinated me in sitting down and crafting the story for Discovery was the human condition. I thought that there are elements in the Mirror Universe that we have seen that have sort of boiled to the broadest ends of the spectrum and everything felt really binary. And what I really wanted to do in setting out was looking at the minutiae of simple decisions that have a cascade effect on our lives. So, it’s not about gold lamé sashes and goatees versus no sash and clean-shaven. It is more about we are at forks in the road every moment of our lives and we either go left or right.

It makes me think of Joe Menosky’s speech in [VOY “Latent Image”], where The Doctor has a Sophie’s choice, he can only save one life. And he chose Ensign Harry Kim versus this other ensign and it is a split-decision and it causes his entire program to unravel because he can’t handle how his choice was always going to cost a life. It was his Kobayashi Maru.

So, there was something in the mistakes made by Burnham in “Battle of the Binary Stars” that had this ripple, but the Mirror Universe was always meant to be an exploration of a small step in a different direction. So, it wasn’t necessarily the Mirror Universe we know from all of the other series. It was something that was closer to our timeline and experience, so you can still recognize the human being and go, “What did I do? How did that seem like a good decision for me in that moment and how do I continue with my life forward?” And everything was a sort of an extrapolation out on that. So, there were things that I wanted the Mirror Universe to function in a narrative exploration of like “Oh fuck, if I just didn’t do that one thing, everything would be better.” As opposed to, “I don’t recognize that person, I don’t know who that person is, because they are a diametric opposite of who I am.”​

In the Discovery season 1 that we got, I thought they missed an opportunity with how they concluded the Mirror Universe arc. Instead of returning to the Federation losing the war with the Klingons, I thought it would have been more interesting if they had gone timey-wimey with it, and had the Spore Drive spit them out before the Battle of the Binary Stars. And the conclusion of the season would be them having to decide whether to intervene to stop the war before it ever began, and save Captain Georgiou. That they would redeem Michael by basically hitting a reset button, and then season 2 would start in a new timeline.
You want the final frontier to have a "new beginning"? Don't have it be made by the people who ran it into the ground over the past decade-plus, wanted a break, and were tapped out.
I think you're absolutely right about Berman and Braga, and it shows in seasons 1 and 2 of ENT. But I think when people speak about ENT being "good," they're almost always talking about seasons 3 and 4, where I think you could argue that Manny Coto had made it somewhat of an entirely different show.

I remember thinking that Scott Bakula was totally wrong for Archer during the first 2 seasons, especially when they giving him stuff like the "Gazelle Speech" to say and spent a good part of the first season making him pout about the Vulcans. But I thought in seasons 3 and 4 they found the right tone for the character where I bought him as someone who's a good leader.
 
If you can perceive the transit corridor then you don't die.

Except there is no "transit corridor". Your entire being is split down into its constituent atoms, converted into energy, and then converted back into matter and re-assembled. The very fact of it being a matter-energy-matter conversion process precludes there being any possibility of a retained consciousness during the transit - regardless of how certain people tried to depict it in canon.

Tl;dr: It's a glorified replicator, not a wormhole generator. :P
 
Except there is no "transit corridor". Your entire being is split down into its constituent atoms, converted into energy, and then converted back into matter and re-assembled. The very fact of it being a matter-energy-matter conversion process precludes there being any possibility of a retained consciousness during the transit - regardless of how certain people tried to depict it in canon.

Tl;dr: It's a glorified replicator, not a wormhole generator. :P
i.e., Mr. Broccoli was hallucinating before, not perceiving reality during, transport.
 
Going by the 'taken apart atom by atom-theory', there seems to be absolutely no possibility you could perceive anything during transport. Yet we have seen such 'during transport' scenes in Star Trek.

Unless perhaps you assume there is still another immaterial component to beings, a 'soul', if you will. (Which also would have its consequences for the transporter debate.)
 
Enterprise is a fucking good show (excepted some few details like Travis and TATV of course), and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know shit about Star Trek.

are you calling me a liar?

yet you seem to not accept that someone would be interested in a bag full of Paris Hilton marital aids

What the hell?

You need to dial it way back or formal warnings will follow.

Post, not poster. That's the rule.

Carry on.
 
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