What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Makes me wonder what actual maritime tradition is when 'recycling' ship's names. I don't think they bother which such suffixes?
James Frain is perfectly believable as a decade-younger Mark Lenard Sarek. I liked Ben Cross well enough in the Kelvin Timeline films but it's obvious J.J. wasn't going for any version of the Mark Lenard Sarek so I accepted him just fine on those alternate timeline terms.
Definitely.
Frain also gets considerably more to do.
I love the scenes with Sarek and Michael. I love the scenes with Sarek and Amanda. (!!!) I'd be more than willing to forgo that Spock and Sarek aren't speaking during SNW to get him back on the show. (Do I get a vote? Do I?)
An awful lot of my issues with early Discovery could have been solved by setting it in the early 25th century and having the Klingons be the Tzenkethi or the Breen or the Hur'q or something entirely new. I'm all for a soft reboot of Star Trek making all the aliens more alien now that there's better effects available, but changing the Klingons and only the Klingons while keeping everyone else – Vulcans, Andorians, Trills, Cardassians, Lurians FFS – almost the same was a twattish thing to do.
Having James Frain in a show is always a good idea .
They should have agreed to Terri Farrell’s reasonable terms and allowed her to see the show through as she wanted to.
I fully agree, but I don't exactly think that's controversial
(At least, I don't recall many posters saying: 'served her right! Good riddance!')(That is, I don't exactly know what her terms were so I can't judge whether they were reasonable or not, but the way she was treated after no agreement was reached seems to have been less than pleasant.)
She wanted to stay, but with a reduced episode count maybe for the same money?). Berman turned her down and Behr didn't find out about it until years later. He was just told that she'd left. Shitty stuff.
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I agree strongly with points 1 and 4.
In terms of Klingons... There's nothing wrong with using them, but they shouldn't have redesigned them so extensively. The Klingons of SNW work perfectly well as Klingons brought into the 21st Century and they just put everyone's noses out of joint when they did it.
I have no problems with the redesign. It's all Klingons to me. But there was no pressing need to do it and they've spent the remaining time slowly back-pedalling into the old design, much like Doctor Who did in 2010. Someone decided it would be a good idea to mess around with the Daleks and it didn't go over well with anybody (or at least not many people).
I like the Michael/Spock stuff, but the show and Michael would have been perfectly fine without it.
Controversial Opinion:
DSC S01 is by far the worst of the show.
My dream version of DSC. Set in the late 25th Century. No mutiny. No angst. A new engine, a new ship and let's fly! Geogrgiou is Captain for a Season training Michael to take over. Don't let it be a show about a war, or universal existential threats. Have people doing more Star Trek stuff.
The high points of Season 1 for me are the times they are planetside, like Georgiou and Michael in The Vulcan Hello or the one where Saru has to convince some crystals to do something for some reason.
There was too little adventure in Season 1. Too many characters behaving sourly toward each other for too long. Stamets is miserable, Michael is sore and mean, Lorca is a cutthroat and Saru has serious trust issues going on. Tilly and Culber are the single, bright, positive spots in that season. Too grim for me.
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After re-watching "The Vulcan Hello" and "Battle at the Binary Stars" the other day, I still agree with everything Captain Georgiou said. Right down to the Klingons are looking for a fight, so greeting them with a Vulcan Hello won't deter them. If anything, it would give them what they want. Burnham really threw everything away for nothing. I've probably watched Season 1 over 10 times now, I've lost count at this point, and I keep coming to the same conclusion.
After Georgiou had Burnham thrown in the brig, she shouldn't have listened to anything Burnham said afterwards. It all led to her dying and T'Kuvma become the martyr they were trying to avoid making him. It would've been nice if they found a way to keep Captain Georgiou around.
A promotion to Admiral would've kept Georgiou around, Michelle Yeoh would've had a chance to act opposite of Emperor Georgiou later on in the season, and Lorca still gets to be Captain of Discovery, doing his Lorca thing. But I like Admiral Cornwell and her "it's complicated" relationship status with Lorca. I wouldn't want to lose that.
I liked the new Klingon ships and I liked the new costumes. I didn't like the four nostrils, overly elaborate necks, and no hair.
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Regarding the Timeframe: I think DSC should've taken place post-TUC/pre-TNG. At one point, a few years ago, I watched TUC and then watched the first episode of DSC immediately afterwards, so I could directly compare the two, and I'd have had no trouble believing DSC took place 25 years after TUC (TUC came out in 1991, DSC started in 2017, so it would've matched the time that had passed IRL). The Discovery, to me, looks like a Movie Era ship. The design originally came from Planet of the Titans and you can see it hidden away in Space Dock in TSFS. So it's a Movie Ship, not a TNG Ship.
Of course now, thanks to PIC, we've actually seen what at least the beginning of the 25th Century looks like, and it seems like the TOS Movie look is back in style, so the Discovery could've been a 25th Century ship too. But anyway...
In a post-TUC setting, a large segment of the Klingons would've been sick of the peace and weakened state the Klingon Empire had been in for the past 25 years. And someone like T'Kuvma has a stronger case for wanting to Make the Empire Great Again.
On the Mirror Universe Side: the Terran Empire could be falling apart, thanks to Spock's actions, but not completely fallen. So, Georgiou could be one of the last leaders of a dying empire, before the Klingon/Bajoran/Cardassian/Etc. Coalition took over.
Bottom Line: "10 years before TOS" wouldn't have been my first choice to set Discovery. It was an odd series to be a prequel, it never felt like one, so I'd forget it was. Being able to forget it was a prequel actually worked in its favor (ironically) since I'm not usually a fan of them. Better Call Saul is my gold-standard for prequels. If you're not going to make it blend in as seamlessly as Better Call Saul blended into Breaking Bad, don't do it at all. Or at least acknowledge it's some level of reboot. (Controversial Opinion!) So, I was a glad when DSC jumped to the 32nd Century because I didn't have to keep turning the blind eye that I knew I was turning.
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I'm not sure what I think about the angst. I've had it drilled into my head for decades that, "Conflict is the root of all drama." Which I don't disagree with. On the other hand, like I said, I thought Burnham was handled horribly in the first two episodes. Which is why it took until "Context Is for Kings" to fully hook me into the series. Burnham was really mean towards Tilly at first... but she also just spent six months in prison, so she had a massive chip on her shoulder (which is understandable), she had to deal with a lot of hardened types... and Tilly is such the complete opposite of that, that it probably felt like whiplash for Burnham. Especially a Burnham who wants to hate herself for what happened on the Shenzhou.
They killed off Landry WAY TOO SOON. I'd have liked to have seen what her deal was. She had to have had some type of past. She was hardened and gravitated towards Lorca real easy.
For me, the choice between PIC Season 1 and PIC Season 3 was really close. Ultimately, I went with PIC Season 3 because I felt like the season knew exactly what it wanted to be, went all in, and was unafraid to be what it was. With DSC, I'll probably end up giving the nod to Season 4 because Season 1 is messy with a lot to untangle (a type of messy that I like, which provides a lot of fodder for discussion, but still messy nonetheless), while Season 4 is pretty straight-forward and, like PIC S3, it too knows exactly what it wants to be and is unafraid of it. That's where I think I'll land. But I'll wait until I get to the end of the re-watch before I say for sure. This is the first time I'm getting to watch the series from any type of distance.
After Georgiou had Burnham thrown in the brig, she shouldn't have listened to anything Burnham said afterwards. It all led to her dying and T'Kuvma become the martyr they were trying to avoid making him. It would've been nice if they found a way to keep Captain Georgiou around.
A promotion to Admiral would've kept Georgiou around, Michelle Yeoh would've had a chance to act opposite of Emperor Georgiou later on in the season, and Lorca still gets to be Captain of Discovery, doing his Lorca thing. But I like Admiral Cornwell and her "it's complicated" relationship status with Lorca. I wouldn't want to lose that.
I liked the new Klingon ships and I liked the new costumes. I didn't like the four nostrils, overly elaborate necks, and no hair.
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Regarding the Timeframe: I think DSC should've taken place post-TUC/pre-TNG. At one point, a few years ago, I watched TUC and then watched the first episode of DSC immediately afterwards, so I could directly compare the two, and I'd have had no trouble believing DSC took place 25 years after TUC (TUC came out in 1991, DSC started in 2017, so it would've matched the time that had passed IRL). The Discovery, to me, looks like a Movie Era ship. The design originally came from Planet of the Titans and you can see it hidden away in Space Dock in TSFS. So it's a Movie Ship, not a TNG Ship.
Of course now, thanks to PIC, we've actually seen what at least the beginning of the 25th Century looks like, and it seems like the TOS Movie look is back in style, so the Discovery could've been a 25th Century ship too. But anyway...
In a post-TUC setting, a large segment of the Klingons would've been sick of the peace and weakened state the Klingon Empire had been in for the past 25 years. And someone like T'Kuvma has a stronger case for wanting to Make the Empire Great Again.
On the Mirror Universe Side: the Terran Empire could be falling apart, thanks to Spock's actions, but not completely fallen. So, Georgiou could be one of the last leaders of a dying empire, before the Klingon/Bajoran/Cardassian/Etc. Coalition took over.
Bottom Line: "10 years before TOS" wouldn't have been my first choice to set Discovery. It was an odd series to be a prequel, it never felt like one, so I'd forget it was. Being able to forget it was a prequel actually worked in its favor (ironically) since I'm not usually a fan of them. Better Call Saul is my gold-standard for prequels. If you're not going to make it blend in as seamlessly as Better Call Saul blended into Breaking Bad, don't do it at all. Or at least acknowledge it's some level of reboot. (Controversial Opinion!) So, I was a glad when DSC jumped to the 32nd Century because I didn't have to keep turning the blind eye that I knew I was turning.
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I'm not sure what I think about the angst. I've had it drilled into my head for decades that, "Conflict is the root of all drama." Which I don't disagree with. On the other hand, like I said, I thought Burnham was handled horribly in the first two episodes. Which is why it took until "Context Is for Kings" to fully hook me into the series. Burnham was really mean towards Tilly at first... but she also just spent six months in prison, so she had a massive chip on her shoulder (which is understandable), she had to deal with a lot of hardened types... and Tilly is such the complete opposite of that, that it probably felt like whiplash for Burnham. Especially a Burnham who wants to hate herself for what happened on the Shenzhou.
They killed off Landry WAY TOO SOON. I'd have liked to have seen what her deal was. She had to have had some type of past. She was hardened and gravitated towards Lorca real easy.
For me, the choice between PIC Season 1 and PIC Season 3 was really close. Ultimately, I went with PIC Season 3 because I felt like the season knew exactly what it wanted to be, went all in, and was unafraid to be what it was. With DSC, I'll probably end up giving the nod to Season 4 because Season 1 is messy with a lot to untangle (a type of messy that I like, which provides a lot of fodder for discussion, but still messy nonetheless), while Season 4 is pretty straight-forward and, like PIC S3, it too knows exactly what it wants to be and is unafraid of it. That's where I think I'll land. But I'll wait until I get to the end of the re-watch before I say for sure. This is the first time I'm getting to watch the series from any type of distance.
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No they don't. it's the same name new registry
For example
HMS Warspite (03) was a Queen Elizabeth-class battleship launched in 1913. HMS Warspite (S103) was a Valiant-class nuclear-powered submarine launched in 1965 and decommissioned in 1991. HMS Warspite is the third planned Dreadnought-class ballistic missile submarine or
USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1938–1947), the most decorated U.S. ship of World War II
USS Enterprise (CVN-65), the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier (1961–2017)
USS Enterprise (CVN-80), a Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier, under construction and scheduled to enter service by 2028
Yes.
^Just deleted my earlier post you quote, because I had some 2nd thoughts about it 2 minutes after posting and then removed it before I saw your reply. Cannot undo that removal, sorry.
It's ok.
In keeping with a long-standing Trek tradition, the crew of the Cerritos should kill the Koala.
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